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Re: Your thoughts or experiences with charismatic "healing" services
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2026, 11:30:16 PM »
Thank you all.

I watched some of those videos a while ago from ascent to Mt Carmel but forgot about that. I'll re-watch and take some notes on specific arguments. What I do not remember seeing in those videos is the whole thing about the priest or lay person bringing up stuff from either past, present or future. I think they (charismatics) have a term for that.

As for my family member, it would be difficult to just say "stay away, it is not catholic" because it is done inside of a church and by a priest who is actually elderly and most likely ordained prior to Vatican II but is a Novus Ordo priest. For her and for many others, that is like some sort of endorsement by the church.


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Re: Your thoughts or experiences with charismatic "healing" services
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2026, 03:50:17 AM »
St. Alphonsus Liguori in his work “History of Heresies and their Refutation” mentions the Protestant origins and absurdities of these charismatic practices. 

It may be worth showing your family the quote below.

It may also be worth simply asking them whether these practices are traditionally Catholic, such as being able to see similar things in the early Church. Since you ask a question, you do not come across as imposing, and it forces them to think more about what they’re actually doing, and the origins of it.

The people praying over you knowing your sins without you telling them (if I am understanding you correctly) is evidence of demonic influence. Sins that are unconfessed/unforgiven, the devils know. This can even be seen in the account of a famous Catholic exorcism related by Fr. Michael Müller in “The Triumph of the Blessed Sacrament”. It’s not right for them to be saying it so others can hear, St. Francis de Sales teaches that we are not permitted, for charity’s sake, to divulge our mortal sins to others (besides the priest and in other reasonable situations) so as not to give scandal to our neighbour.

Quote from St. Alphonsus:

“It is rather difficult to give a precise account of the doctrines of Methodism. Wesley always professed himself a member of the Church of England, and maintained that his doctrine was that of the Anglican Church, but we see how far he deviated from it in the ordination affair. Whitfield was a Calvinist, and some of the first Methodists were Moravians. Salvation by Faith alone, and sudden justification, appear to be the distinguishing marks of the sect. Their doctrines open a wide door for the most dangerous enthusiasm; the poor people imagine, from the ardour of their feelings, that they are justified, though every Christian should be aware that he knows not whether he is worthy of love or hatred, and this has been productive of the most serious consequences. If only the thousandth part of all we hear of the scenes which take place at a "Revival" in America be true, it should fill us with compassion to see rational beings committing such extravagances in the holy name of religion. I will not sully the page with a description of the "Penitents' pen," the groanings in spirit, the sighs, contortions, bowlings, and faintings which accompany the "new birth" at these reunions. It has been partially attempted in these countries to get up a similar demonstration, but we hope the sense of propriety and decorum is too strongly fixed in the minds of our people ever to permit themselves to be thus fooled.”

— P. 384-385

https://archive.org/details/historyofheresie00ligu/page/384/mode/1up


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Re: Your thoughts or experiences with charismatic "healing" services
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2026, 04:32:21 AM »
From an old thread on the subject"
SSPX:
The Catholic Charismatic Movement is a blighted tree bearing poisonous fruit, sown by the Devil among Protestants and transplanted into the Church after Vatican II. The delirium of contemporary Churchmen has watered it, and the lack of an adequate Catholic formation among priests and laity has cleared and tilled the fertile soil in which it has grown. More people eat of its deadly fruit yearly, and the vulnerable young, so eager for the profound knowledge of God and the sense of the supernatural denied them by the Conciliar Church, are especially at risk. A generation of children is growing up thinking of Charismatics as perfectly normal (or even superior) Catholics.

This fruit is truly a seed of destruction and one of the most perilous fruits offered to man since the first fruit offered to the first Eve by the same serpent. May the new Eve, the Blessed Virgin Mary, to whom it has been given to crush the serpent’s head, intercede for the Church and free the world from the peril in which it now lies as a result of the Catholic Charismatic Movement!

Re: Your thoughts or experiences with charismatic "healing" services
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2026, 04:51:51 AM »
I was obligated to go to many of these events as a teenager and even heard a family member speak in tongues.

A natural skeptic ( I debunked Santa Claus at the age of 5 all on my own) I was never convinced of the healing services though. Being cured of a headache is not exactly impressive.



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Re: Your thoughts or experiences with charismatic "healing" services
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2026, 08:13:03 AM »
The NO church is protestant, therefore the practices have always been condemned by the true church. This sort of swooning and "breathing of the spirit" invites the devils in, and changes the true sacrament of Extreme Unction into an emotional experience. If you see anyone losing control of their body, fainting on the floor, eyes rolling back, I would be afraid of demonic influence. St. John of the Cross said that those who constantly seek supernatural, emotional experiences will be lead easily into spiritual deceptions, as these cravings stem from self love and pride. Who is the king of deception and pride? ..I would tell them to reread the 1st Commandment from a good Catechism book pre-55.

I would tell your friends/relatives that if they are sick or suffering, perhaps God is asking them to trust more in Him, to check their life... is it pleasing to God? Can they be more accepting of God's will if he chooses not to afford them a cure? Are they cognizant that the soul is more important than the body, and that sickness may be a means to sanctification? i.e. a gift from God and not a curse. Therefore, if they are going to a spiritual roundtable or healer seeking an immediate miracle, they have their faith in men and their mind in the flesh, whereas they need to elevate their mind to God and overcome the flesh. They can pray for a cure, but the prayer should always end with "if it be Thy Will, for Thy greater glory, and for the sanctification of my Soul, otherwise take the desire away from me." Hard pill to swallow, yes, but do you want to become saints, or do you want health and pleasures in this life for a few short years following by an eternity of separation from God?