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You dont like your wage?
« on: May 26, 2013, 07:58:59 PM »
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  • get an education or learn a skill instead of whining around on the internet.
    Stop blaming everyone else, get off your butt and solve the problem. Plenty of people who are not Jєωs, Masons, Communists, or atheists manage to make a decent living wage.
    If you need a hand up to get back on your feet, that is perfectly reasonable. Unfortunate things happen to many people.
    If a woman abandoned by her husband can go back to school and get a Master's to get a job to support her children or a father of 15 can go back to school to learn a new trade than a young, healthy, single man certainly can too.


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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #1 on: May 26, 2013, 08:02:03 PM »
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  • Catholic social teaching requires just wage.

    If you don't like it, don't pretend to be Catholic.


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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #2 on: May 26, 2013, 08:05:14 PM »
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    If a woman abandoned by her husband can go back to school and get a Master's to get a job to support her children or a father of 15 can go back to school to learn a new trade ...


    where did those examples come from??

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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #3 on: May 26, 2013, 08:05:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Leo XIII
    The following duties bind the wealthy owner and the employer: not to look upon their work people as their bondsmen, but to respect in every man his dignity as a person ennobled by Christian character. They are reminded that, according to natural reason and Christian philosophy, working for gain is creditable, not shameful, to a man, since it enables him to earn an honorable livelihood; but to misuse men as though they were things in the pursuit of gain, or to value them solely for their physical powers - that is truly shameful and inhuman. Again justice demands that, in dealing with the working man, religion and the good of his soul must be kept in mind. Hence, the employer is bound to see that the worker has time for his religious duties; that he be not exposed to corrupting influences and dangerous occasions; and that he be not led away to neglect his home and family, or to squander his earnings. Furthermore, the employer must never tax his work people beyond their strength, or employ them in work unsuited to their sex and age. His great and principal duty is to give every one what is just. Doubtless, before deciding whether wages are fair, many things have to be considered; but wealthy owners and all masters of labor should be mindful of this - that to exercise pressure upon the indigent and the destitute for the sake of gain, and to gather one's profit out of the need of another, is condemned by all laws, human and divine. To defraud any one of wages that are his due is a great crime which cries to the avenging anger of Heaven. "Behold, the hire of the laborers... which by fraud has been kept back by you, crieth; and the cry of them hath entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth."(6) Lastly, the rich must religiously refrain from cutting down the workmen's earnings, whether by force, by fraud, or by usurious dealing; and with all the greater reason because the laboring man is, as a rule, weak and unprotected, and because his slender means should in proportion to their scantiness be accounted sacred. Were these precepts carefully obeyed and followed out, would they not be sufficient of themselves to keep under all strife and all its causes?



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    « Reply #4 on: May 26, 2013, 08:10:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pope Pius XI
    60. Yet while it is true that the status of non owning worker is to be carefully distinguished from pauperism, nevertheless the immense multitude of the non-owning workers on the one hand and the enormous riches of certain very wealthy men on the other establish an unanswerable argument that the riches which are so abundantly produced in our age of "industrialism," as it is called, are not rightly distributed and equitably made available to the various classes of the people.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 26, 2013, 08:11:50 PM »
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    39. When work people have recourse to a strike and become voluntarily idle, it is frequently because the hours of labor are too long, or the work too hard, or because they consider their wages insufficient. The grave inconvenience of this not uncommon occurrence should be obviated by public remedial measures; for such paralysing of labor not only affects the masters and their work people alike, but is extremely injurious to trade and to the general interests of the public; moreover, on such occasions, violence and disorder are generally not far distant, and thus it frequently happens that the public peace is imperiled. The laws should forestall and prevent such troubles from arising; they should lend their influence and authority to the removal in good time of the causes which lead to conflicts between employers and employed.

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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #6 on: May 26, 2013, 09:01:43 PM »
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    If a woman abandoned by her husband can go back to school and get a Master's to get a job to support her children or a father of 15 can go back to school to learn a new trade ...


    where did those examples come from??


    Real life.

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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #7 on: May 26, 2013, 09:13:05 PM »
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    If a woman abandoned by her husband can go back to school and get a Master's to get a job to support her children or a father of 15 can go back to school to learn a new trade ...


    where did those examples come from??


    Real life.


    How did the family of 17 live while dad was in school? How did he pay tuition? Who paid for his gas to get back and forth to school? Who paid for the children's dr visits and food?

    Who cared for the single mother's children? How did they live? How did she pay tuition?


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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #8 on: May 26, 2013, 09:16:22 PM »
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    get an education or learn a skill instead of whining around on the internet.
    Stop blaming everyone else, get off your butt and solve the problem. Plenty of people who are not Jєωs, Masons, Communists, or atheists manage to make a decent living wage.
    If you need a hand up to get back on your feet, that is perfectly reasonable. Unfortunate things happen to many people.
    If a woman abandoned by her husband can go back to school and get a Master's to get a job to support her children or a father of 15 can go back to school to learn a new trade than a young, healthy, single man certainly can too.


    More it's a choice to be poor from the GOP crowd.

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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #9 on: May 26, 2013, 09:18:34 PM »
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  • None of those quotes have anything to do with healthy single men in the 21st century not working out of choice. No one here is the victim of working in a sweatshop or slave labor. This isn't 19th century England with it's textile mills.



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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #10 on: May 26, 2013, 09:22:36 PM »
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    None of those quotes have anything to do with healthy single men in the 21st century not working out of choice. No one here is the victim of working in a sweatshop or slave labor. This isn't 19th century England with it's textile mills.




    I wouldn't assume the sweatshop part.  Many companies use virtual sweatshops as middlemen, and all paid with contract labor instead of an hourly wage.

    They very much apply to today, minimum wage is too low, especially jobs without benefits or health insurance is too high to buy. They often work around labor laws to avoid providing benefits, like hiring 30 hour a week workers.
    ~Tiffany


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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #11 on: May 26, 2013, 09:27:31 PM »
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  • Nowhere do the quotes mention sweatshop labor.

    It mentions the cutting down of wages, which has been systematically done, so that the average working man today cannot afford the life-style of his parents.

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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #12 on: May 26, 2013, 09:31:54 PM »
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    If a woman abandoned by her husband can go back to school and get a Master's to get a job to support her children or a father of 15 can go back to school to learn a new trade ...


    where did those examples come from??


    Real life.


    How did the family of 17 live while dad was in school? How did he pay tuition? Who paid for his gas to get back and forth to school? Who paid for the children's dr visits and food?

    Who cared for the single mother's children? How did they live? How did she pay tuition?


    Family, friends, extended community, state and federal aid.

    Grandparents watched children, Medicaid paid for pregnancies and emergency medical care, food stamps puts food on the table, temp jobs in construction and education paid bills. Neighbors pitched in with transportation.

    These situations happened 35 years apart, to two separate families in very distant parts of the country.


    In the earlier occurence the family was off aid in just a couple years and in the latter, it remains to be seen but the honor of that father is not in whether or not he lands a  $$ job or ever gets his family off of state aid but that he made the effort instead of throwing up his hands and saying I can't make enough.



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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #13 on: May 26, 2013, 09:38:47 PM »
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  • All true.
    Many corporations do everything they can to not pay benefits etc.....I had a dear friend whose husband was gypped out of $60,000 in overtime over a period of 8 years.
    Some companies like Walmart have awful business practices. It is a fallen world and the business world can be awful....and it can have some incredibly generous, wonderful people too. You'll never find the latter sitting in a basement on the internet.

    None of it is an excuse for not working and expecting others to put up with it and give you part of their wage unless you are disabled or caring for someone who is.

    There is no perfect job situation for a Catholic. Even the homestead farm, one would still have to sell goods to the outside world and possibly deal with dishonest people.

    I can't believe if I went to any of my friends who qualify as the 'working poor'  which is quite a lot and asked if they thought it was honorable for a healthy man to not work and live off the dole because he felt he couldn't get a fair deal in the workplace, they would answer in the affirmative.


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    You dont like your wage?
    « Reply #14 on: May 26, 2013, 09:46:01 PM »
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  • Who are you talking about?  I don't think there's anyone unemployed here who is taking charity or welfare benefits or anything like that.

    It's simply a matter of what is important.  There are important things to do.  So long as I have the resources, I will avoid working for $7.25 an hour.  I can't blame anyone else for having the same attitude.