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Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
« on: October 14, 2013, 12:58:27 PM »
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  • John Paul II kissed the Koran and it wasn't under pain of death or any threat.  It was a gratuitious act on the pontiff's part.

    Now, in Catholic history, tens of thousands of Catholics were put to death for not following a false religion.

    Was Pope John Paul II's act of "reverence" toward a book that is part of what used to be considered in Catholicism on a level with idolatry a slap in the face to those martyrs?  

    Was Pope John Paul II's act of "reverence" a public act of piety directed toward a false religion?

    Remember, thousands of Catholics have been murdered in a bloody manner for not following or even pretending to follow false religions.  


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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 03:13:19 PM »
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  • Obviously then it goes far, far beyond Indifferentism.


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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 04:44:09 PM »
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  • No.  It's a display of apostasy.  He presented to the world the fact that he does not believe in the True God.

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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 04:44:24 PM »
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    Obviously then it goes far, far beyond Indifferentism.


    Meaning?

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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #4 on: October 14, 2013, 05:29:51 PM »
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  • As TKGS stated, it's apostasy, not indifferentism. I'll say one thing for the Conciliar Church: Its boldness knows no bounds. To "canonize" an apostate is the very definition of chutzpah, a word with which the current occupiers of the Vatican should be very familiar.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #5 on: October 14, 2013, 08:45:42 PM »
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  • Meaning that it's much, much WORSE than indifferentism.  It's idolatry, apostasy, blasphemy, you name it!

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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #6 on: October 14, 2013, 09:37:36 PM »
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  • I'd call it idolatry.  When done in public by a Pope, it amounts to blasphemy and apostacy.  To be merely indifferentism, he would have had to have given equal attention go the holy books of any number of false religions.  The only possibly mitigating circuмstance is the Holy Father was laboring under insanity or gross deception of the devil.  When St Paul spoke of "becoming all thing to all men" he meant in order to convert their souls to Christ, not to do so for any intrinsic value.  One may eat what he finds a disgusting meal so as not to drive a soul from Truth.  But one may never sin against Truth to gain a convert.  Then two souls will be lost!  Did Gideon worship his father's idol in order to gain him back to the Lord God?  Did St. Polycarp burn insence to the apparent idol so as to gain favour with God's enemies?  No, death before sin!  
    It is a scary thought that JP II has already answered to his Judge.  Even his canonisation in April will change nothing as pertains to the state of his soul.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 11:43:56 AM »
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    I'd call it idolatry. When done in public by a Pope, it amounts to blasphemy and apostasy. …


    Given how many disgusting mouths have preceded one's own, it's probably also a danged good way to get oral herpes.


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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #8 on: October 17, 2013, 07:15:14 PM »
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  •  :confused1:

    A pope, soon to be canonized as a saint, made a public act of adoration toward an object of a false religion?

    Did someone change the rules on us?  Didn't popes in the past warn us to avoid any participation in false religions?


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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #9 on: October 17, 2013, 07:45:28 PM »
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  • Catholics really need to ask themselves would a real Catholic ever do it?

    Unless insane or grossly ignorant and stupid - never.

    Under pressure to apostatize - tragically yes if very weak. Then they would no longer be Catholic.

    If person is a real pope and none of the above apply – ABSOLUTELY NEVER.

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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #10 on: October 17, 2013, 11:18:20 PM »
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  • A picture is worth a thousand words.


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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #11 on: October 18, 2013, 03:25:33 PM »
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    No.  It's a display of apostasy.  He presented to the world the fact that he does not believe in the True God.


    True. John Paul II was the Antichrist.

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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #12 on: October 18, 2013, 03:33:37 PM »
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    No.  It's a display of apostasy.  He presented to the world the fact that he does not believe in the True God.


    True. John Paul II was the Antichrist.


    John Paul II was an antichrist, but not the Antichrist. Isn't the Antichrist supposed to rule the world for three and a half years and kill all the Catholics he could find? John  Paul II did not do that though he was certainly an ally of the Antichrist.

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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 09:56:58 PM »
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  • But you know what? No matter what, jp2 was still a real pope, unless another real pope tells our descendants sometime in the future that jp2 wasn't a real pope.  :rolleyes:

    Doesn't matter if the evidence is there for all to see that jp2 was not a Catholic, let alone a pope. Jp2 was still the pope. :rolleyes:

    Just like Bergo-Francis. He is not Catholic, but he is the pope.  :rolleyes:

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    Would kissing the Koran be a form of Indifferentism?
    « Reply #14 on: October 19, 2013, 10:06:57 AM »
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  • Of course John Paul II was the Antichrist. The evidence is all there. He fit all the hallmarks of Antichrist especially with his dissolving of Jesus Christ/ teaching that man is God. The death of the soul is incomparably worse than the death of the body, and he has led countless numbers to eternal death.

    Have you seen this video? The evidence is irrefutable.