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At no time in U.S. history have more millionaires been made than in the past ten years.

So what?  There has been an almost incomprehensibly massive increase in the money supply, concurrent with a staggering, steep decrease in morality (which was already in a bad state).  Most of these modern millionaires are unscrupulous fraudsters and their money purchases far, far less than it used to.

I am in no way arguing against your encouragement to take positive action, etc., but appealing to the increase in the number of millionaires is meaningless for multiple reasons.
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I am in no way arguing against your encouragement to take positive action, etc., but appealing to the increase in the number of millionaires is meaningless for multiple reasons.

Indeed! If you bought an average $190,000 house 10 or 20 years ago, it could be worth close to a million today, depending on your location. There must be countless paper millionaires, especially in real estate.

Being a millionaire just became 1/2 as impressive, around 2020-2021. You know, when literally EVERYTHING doubled in price. No, what truly happened was the dollar lost over 1/2 of its value in just a year or two. It was the craziest thing I've lived through, and I'm close to half a century.

Something tells me I have yet more "interesting" times to live through in the future...


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I am in no way arguing against your encouragement to take positive action, etc., but appealing to the increase in the number of millionaires is meaningless for multiple reasons.

Indeed! If you bought an average $190,000 house or property 10 or 20 years ago, it could be worth (far too) close to a million today, depending on your location. There must be countless paper millionaires, especially in real estate. Maybe not in every state, but perhaps in states with a large INFLUX of population, where everyone is trying to move to. Ask me how I know this. :cowboy:

Bishop Zendejas' chapel (with land) on the Gulf Coast tripled in value just a couple years after he bought it -- because up and down that whole highway, huge plots were being bought up and developed into subdivisions. Everyone wants to be in Texas, particularly the non-desert parts. I mean, this is recent stuff. I visited his chapel in the earliest days, way back in 2015 when Bp Williamson blessed it, and there were no homes around. Just 5 years later, there were tons of homes within view of the chapel. This is such a drastic change, my KIDS can remember it. This isn't black and white, sepia-toned, grandpa-telling-stories stuff.

Of course, real estate is the silliest kind of paper wealth. It's not like the value of your property can be monetized or enjoyed in any way. (Unless it's an EXTRA property that you can rent out or sell) It's not like a medieval benefice with peasants living on it that you can tax, and generate an income stream to live off of. It's always still just a house. You can't eat your house. And 99.99% of properties don't come with water, electricity, gas, garbage, sewer, Internet, or any other utilities on the land itself. You always have to pay extra each month for that, not to mention property tax, which increases with the "paper value" of your property. The whole thing is a scam.

Being a millionaire just became 1/2 as impressive, around 2020-2021. You know, when literally EVERYTHING doubled in price. No, what truly happened was the dollar lost over 1/2 of its value in just a year or two. It was the craziest thing I've lived through, and I'm closing in on half a century on this earth.

Something tells me I have yet more "interesting" times to live through in the future...
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So, once again evidently the Chinese walked out of tariff talks today with Trump officials, and Trump has been waffling about lowering the tariffs.  Even if he does that right this minute, it'll take some months for the supply chain to recover.

But (and I'll try to find it), I saw a projection put out there by a few of the larger banks, I think it was Chase and Citi, projecting empty shelves by the end of May or early June.  I doubt that means they'd be COMPLETELY empty, but empty of many things ot the point that it's noticed by the consumer, at which point you'd probably better have a good supply of toilet paper, since for whatever reason that's what the general public always focus on first. :laugh1:

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But (and I'll try to find it), I saw a projection put out there by a few of the larger banks, I think it was Chase and Citi, projecting empty shelves by the end of May or early June.  I doubt that means they'd be COMPLETELY empty, but empty of many things ot the point that it's noticed by the consumer, at which point you'd probably better have a good supply of toilet paper, since for whatever reason that's what the general public always focus on first. :laugh1:

Even though America is 100% self-sufficient for this product, and we import NONE of it. Some things we produce (like wine) people still import, because they want to experience French wine or Italian wine. But toilet paper? We produce plenty domestically. And I'm not aware of even the uber-rich importing toilet paper from foreign countries. I think they'd go bidet first -- since that would be the equivalent of high-class, foreign toilet paper ;)
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TP is particularly useful to those barely able to eat...which, last I checked, has to occur before any need to poo.
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In 1956 (I was five years old at the time) my family moved from Seattle to farm raw land in the Columbia Basin Irrigation Project in southeastern Washington.  I think dad had gone over a few months ahead.  We lived in a camper trailer, had an outhouse, and hauled water from a common well at the Bureau of Reclamation camp in the unincorporated railroad town of Eltopia.  We had one of those wringer washing machines, and I recall myself and two younger brothers being bathed in a cattle water trough, after water was heated on the kitchen stove.  We eventually moved into what was a temporary WWII era house hauled out to the farm from Camp Hanford (where the plutonium for nuclear weapons was made), dug a well, put in a septic tank and drain field, and had indoor plumbing.  One neighboring family moved up from southern California to farm and lived in a big tent (think of a military mess tent, probable WWII surplus).  It blew down once in a windstorm and I remember going over with dad to help put it back up.  The tent was set up on a rock outcropping (didn't want to waste cultivatable land for buildings) and evidently once when they came home from Mass the wife found a rattlesnake coiled up in her hatbox.  There were many other interesting housing stories from those days.  Most had a family milk cow (and traded milk when their cow was dry before the next calf).  Our cream separator and hand crank butter churn are still here at our farm.  There were chickens for eggs and meat, hogs, big gardens, and the moms did a lot of canning.  Nobody had much cash to spend at the grocery store.  Dad had been raised on a dryland wheat farm, after the war he went to college on the GI Bill and was an accountant (with his CPA) for Alaska Airlines when we moved to the farm.  He did accounting and prepared tax forms for the neighbors.  Others had welding, electrical, carpentry and mechanical skills to offer.  The women might take in sewing, make quilts, or have baked goods to sell.

The point of the story is that, while we don't live in the 1950's - 1960's, and economic conditions are very different now, there is still room for having a pioneering spirit.  There is nothing wrong with a mobile or manufactured home for affordable housing or going "off grid" if circuмstances might permit, sewing your own clothes, growing part of your own food, even if its tomatoes or microgreens on an apartment balcony.

For a more contemporary story, a friend of mine has a winery, with cherries, apples, and dry beans as cash crops.  He did have the advantage of his wife inheriting irrigated farmland.  Three years ago, their first son and second oldest of seven got married (I believe he was 20 or 21).  As an aside, it was a Solemn Nuptial Mass (the celebrant is assisted by a deacon and subdeacon, or priests filling in those positions)  At age 70 I believe it was the first Solemn Mass I had ever been to, back-in-the-day the best that most parishes could do was a High Mass (a sung Mass with incense).  Anyways, their second child was just born a month ago.  They didn't want to waste money on rent, so they are living in a camper (with indoor plumbing) on the winery, with a makeshift larger kitchen and dining area set up in the adjacent winery building.  They are saving the money they would have spent on rent to hopefully build a modest house on the farm, which can be added onto as the family grows.  The fact that canning supplies were on their wedding gift registry was a good sign.                       

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In 1956 (I was five years old at the time) my family moved from Seattle to farm raw land in the Columbia Basin Irrigation Project in southeastern Washington.  I think dad had gone over a few months ahead.  We lived in a camper trailer, had an outhouse, and hauled water from a common well at the Bureau of Reclamation camp in the unincorporated railroad town of Eltopia.  We had one of those wringer washing machines, and I recall myself and two younger brothers being bathed in a cattle water trough, after water was heated on the kitchen stove.  We eventually moved into what was a temporary WWII era house hauled out to the farm from Camp Hanford (where the plutonium for nuclear weapons was made), dug a well, put in a septic tank and drain field, and had indoor plumbing.  One neighboring family moved up from southern California to farm and lived in a big tent (think of a military mess tent, probable WWII surplus).  It blew down once in a windstorm and I remember going over with dad to help put it back up.  The tent was set up on a rock outcropping (didn't want to waste cultivatable land for buildings) and evidently once when they came home from Mass the wife found a rattlesnake coiled up in her hatbox.  There were many other interesting housing stories from those days.  Most had a family milk cow (and traded milk when their cow was dry before the next calf).  Our cream separator and hand crank butter churn are still here at our farm.  There were chickens for eggs and meat, hogs, big gardens, and the moms did a lot of canning.  Nobody had much cash to spend at the grocery store.  Dad had been raised on a dryland wheat farm, after the war he went to college on the GI Bill and was an accountant (with his CPA) for Alaska Airlines when we moved to the farm.  He did accounting and prepared tax forms for the neighbors.  Others had welding, electrical, carpentry and mechanical skills to offer.  The women might take in sewing, make quilts, or have baked goods to sell.

The point of the story is that, while we don't live in the 1950's - 1960's, and economic conditions are very different now, there is still room for having a pioneering spirit.  There is nothing wrong with a mobile or manufactured home for affordable housing or going "off grid" if circuмstances might permit, sewing your own clothes, growing part of your own food, even if its tomatoes or microgreens on an apartment balcony.

For a more contemporary story, a friend of mine has a winery, with cherries, apples, and dry beans as cash crops.  He did have the advantage of his wife inheriting irrigated farmland.  Three years ago, their first son and second oldest of seven got married (I believe he was 20 or 21).  As an aside, it was a Solemn Nuptial Mass (the celebrant is assisted by a deacon and subdeacon, or priests filling in those positions)  At age 70 I believe it was the first Solemn Mass I had ever been to, back-in-the-day the best that most parishes could do was a High Mass (a sung Mass with incense).  Anyways, their second child was just born a month ago.  They didn't want to waste money on rent, so they are living in a camper (with indoor plumbing) on the winery, with a makeshift larger kitchen and dining area set up in the adjacent winery building.  They are saving the money they would have spent on rent to hopefully build a modest house on the farm, which can be added onto as the family grows.  The fact that canning supplies were on their wedding gift registry was a good sign.                     
Reply #66 is from moneil.


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TP is particularly useful to those barely able to eat...which, last I checked, has to occur before any need to poo.

I pointed this out many times during C0v|d.
I wonder if Americans knew how ridiculous they were -- filling their empty bedrooms and guest rooms with copious amounts of TP, while having almost no food and water on the premises. They do realize that poop doesn't magically form inside your body, right?

ESPECIALLY water. After 3 days of no water, you're dead. All that TP will go to scavengers that will ransack your house, with a rag or mask on their face to help deal with the smell of death.

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OP, have you returned to this thread yet?

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He did have the advantage of his wife inheriting irrigated farmland...They didn't want to waste money on rent, so they are living in a camper (with indoor plumbing) on the winery...hopefully build a modest house on the farm, which can be added onto as the family grows...

This is a multi-generational blessing, something almost no one has any more.  Good for them; God alone be praised.


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Reply #66 is from moneil.
I always love when you share edifying stories like this!  Thank you!  🥰
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Awesome ... where is this and is it for sale?  

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Awesome ... where is this and is it for sale? 
It’s an historic cabin in the Cades Cove region of Smoky Mtn National Park. You can tour it, but it’s definitely not for sale!