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Online Ladislaus

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All excuses for not taking advantage of opportunities that are available.  I know a kid who’s mom spent her entire life in and out of mental hospitals…dad died of a drug overdose…worked 40 hours a week through undergrad…and through med school to take care of his mom.  He worked his butt off…took advantage of available opportunities and is a well respected Traditional Catholic.  With hard work, dedication, and the grace of God you can accomplish anything.  You just need to be willing to put in the hard work and accept the sacrifices along the way.  Or…sit back…typing on your keyboard…and make excuses why success is out of grasp….you of little faith.

Yeah, yeah ... arrogant condescending turd.  "Available Opportunities" is the key expression above.  Not everybody has opportunities, and not everyone who's not well of simply failed to show initiative, hard work, and sacrifice.  Take your Rush Limbaugh Puritanical Neocon crap and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

In some cases that may be true; in others not.  Not everybody has a wide array of opportunities.  Some do, and are just lazy.  Others simply do not have those opportunities.  And the "grace" of God doesn't guarantee success or prosperity in this life, and in fact a soul's sanctification often benefits from the opposite, where you had many saints who grew up in abject poverty, had no chance for a decent education, etc.  So you're also tossing in some thinly-veiled "Prosperity Gospel" crap as well.  There are just some people who end up with a log of what they used to call (even in the more propserous times after WW2) "bad breaks".  Take a look at the story of Job.  I've known people who were hit with one tragedy after another, and simply couldn't keep their heads above water.  Yet they accepted it with resignation for love of God, and were sanctified by that resignation.

As for your "med school" scenario, yeah, that's great ... but not everyone is gifted with the level of intellect required to get through med school, and it's not just a question of hard work and "willing" your way to it.  I've known some people who worked their butts off but just weren't all that bright, whereas the same stuff might come easy to me, just because it was God's gift through my genes.  I've known people who were stuck in various low-paying jobs because of circuмstances and no other reason, where no amount of "hard work" could have gotten them out of it.  Sure, yeah, I'll go to med school when I can't pass my MCAT test, or actually get any kind of degree in a high-paying field.  Or, yeah, just start a business.  Sure.  Depending on what you have to offer, it may not get you much more than a low-paying job.  Most businesses become lucrative only when they scale, i.e. you hire other people to dump the low-paying work onto while you profit of their labor and on their backs.  I've seen that happen over and over.  Yeah, you become wealthy, but at the expense of not having living wages.  You could lose your job due to circuмstances beyond your control ... the economy, or just happening to be at the wrong company at the wrong time (all allowed by God's providence).  You could be wrecked by bad health, or be struck by huge piles of medical bills due to family members having been stricken with various medical conditions that are expensive to treat.  Once could go on for hours about circuмstances beyond one's control ... and due entire to God's Providence, that are not due to lack of hard work, sacrifice, etc. or otherwise you "can accomplish anything".  Total bullshit.  You can accomplish what God wants you to accomplish.  You try your hardest and leave the rest up to God.

Your posts are completely bankrupt of any perspective from Catholic faith.

As for the larger economy, the US economy has been garbage for a very long time, and it's been engineered to be that way.

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All excuses for not taking advantage of opportunities that are available.  I know a kid who’s mom spent her entire life in and out of mental hospitals…dad died of a drug overdose…worked 40 hours a week through undergrad…and through med school to take care of his mom.  He worked his butt off…took advantage of available opportunities and is a well respected Traditional Catholic.  With hard work, dedication, and the grace of God you can accomplish anything.  You just need to be willing to put in the hard work and accept the sacrifices along the way.  Or…sit back…typing on your keyboard…and make excuses why success is out of grasp….you of little faith.

Your last expression somes up your hubris, and it is you who have little faith, as in Catholic faith, the only type that counts, with your Prosperity Gospel crap.

Are you even a Catholic?


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I don’t believe things are tougher now than 50 years ago…people are weaker and less motivated.  At no time in our history has education and skilled labor training been more available than it is right now.  Plumbers Union, Steam Fitters Union, Electricians are all begging for skilled apprentices.  Banks easily make academics possible.  The question isn’t available opportunities…the question is motivation. 

A trailer is a bad start.  Marriage is tough…a good Catholic marriage is tougher…this person should get a solid career…with a LIVING WAGE…and then consider a bride and home.

Stop putting the cart before the horse.  The word selfish comes to mind.
:facepalm: boomer?

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All excuses for not taking advantage of opportunities that are available.  I know a kid who’s mom spent her entire life in and out of mental hospitals…dad died of a drug overdose…worked 40 hours a week through undergrad…and through med school to take care of his mom.  He worked his butt off…took advantage of available opportunities and is a well respected Traditional Catholic.  With hard work, dedication, and the grace of God you can accomplish anything.  You just need to be willing to put in the hard work and accept the sacrifices along the way.  Or…sit back…typing on your keyboard…and make excuses why success is out of grasp….you of little faith.
You boomers truely are out of touch.

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What you are encouraging is debt enslavement to Jews. Unless you come into money (most men don't), or have a very high paying job (most men don't, and will not no matter how "hard" they work), you will not be able to afford what you call a "real home". The only way to get a "real home" for the majority of men is to take on loans and a mortgage at usurious rates.
Most Catholic men, most men in general, have "worked hard", raised a family, and did it dirt poor. To your's and Fr. Novak's comment about living like a pioneer, the economic situation for most young men is closer to that era than whatever you have in mind. The '50s-'60s are gone, and they are not coming back..A man can't go work as a laborer in a factory and afford a house within a year or two anymore. That was an anomaly, an exception to the rule
NONSENSE!  At no time in U.S. history have more millionaires been made than in the past ten years.  Stop making excuses and blaming Yews and Banksters for lack of action.  God gave us talents to be the light of the world. Stop using excuses and burying them under a bushel basket 


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Yeah, yeah ... arrogant condescending turd.  "Available Opportunities" is the key expression above.  Not everybody has opportunities, and not everyone who's not well of simply failed to show initiative, hard work, and sacrifice.  Take your Rush Limbaugh Puritanical Neocon crap and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

In some cases that may be true; in others not.  Not everybody has a wide array of opportunities.  Some do, and are just lazy.  Others simply do not have those opportunities.  And the "grace" of God doesn't guarantee success or prosperity in this life, and in fact a soul's sanctification often benefits from the opposite, where you had many saints who grew up in abject poverty, had no chance for a decent education, etc.  So you're also tossing in some thinly-veiled "Prosperity Gospel" crap as well.  There are just some people who end up with a log of what they used to call (even in the more propserous times after WW2) "bad breaks".  Take a look at the story of Job.  I've known people who were hit with one tragedy after another, and simply couldn't keep their heads above water.  Yet they accepted it with resignation for love of God, and were sanctified by that resignation.

As for your "med school" scenario, yeah, that's great ... but not everyone is gifted with the level of intellect required to get through med school, and it's not just a question of hard work and "willing" your way to it.  I've known some people who worked their butts off but just weren't all that bright, whereas the same stuff might come easy to me, just because it was God's gift through my genes.  I've known people who were stuck in various low-paying jobs because of circuмstances and no other reason, where no amount of "hard work" could have gotten them out of it.  Sure, yeah, I'll go to med school when I can't pass my MCAT test, or actually get any kind of degree in a high-paying field.  Or, yeah, just start a business.  Sure.  Depending on what you have to offer, it may not get you much more than a low-paying job.  Most businesses become lucrative only when they scale, i.e. you hire other people to dump the low-paying work onto while you profit of their labor and on their backs.  I've seen that happen over and over.  Yeah, you become wealthy, but at the expense of not having living wages.  You could lose your job due to circuмstances beyond your control ... the economy, or just happening to be at the wrong company at the wrong time (all allowed by God's providence).  You could be wrecked by bad health, or be struck by huge piles of medical bills due to family members having been stricken with various medical conditions that are expensive to treat.  Once could go on for hours about circuмstances beyond one's control ... and due entire to God's Providence, that are not due to lack of hard work, sacrifice, etc. or otherwise you "can accomplish anything".  Total bullshit.  You can accomplish what God wants you to accomplish.  You try your hardest and leave the rest up to God.

Your posts are completely bankrupt of any perspective from Catholic faith.

As for the larger economy, the US economy has been garbage for a very long time, and it's been engineered to be that way.
More rationalizing and excuses…the lady doth protest too much

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NONSENSE!  At no time in U.S. history have more millionaires been made than in the past ten years.  Stop making excuses and blaming Yews and Banksters for lack of action.  God gave us talents to be the light of the world. Stop using excuses and burying them under a bushel basket
They're millionaires on paper because the value of their houses went up 10x.

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To answer the OP:  No, it would not be unreasonable to ask a potential spouse to live in a mobile home.  You should be able to ask a potential spouse most anything.  All she can do is say 'no'.  As a man, it's your job to carve out the life you wish to lead and then find a spouse who will go along with you. 

A mobile home of the 1960s is not the same as today.  Many today are much nicer.

Also, nothing lasts forever.  Both good and bad.  If you start in a mobile home, that doesn't mean you can't upgrade later.    


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We have an eccentric anonymous who is still living the American dream. Weird stuff.

Hard working people, great country, plenty of natural and human resources. But, you know, the Jews...

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Is it possible there is not one “right” answer to this question?  
What suits one couple may not suit another.  
While my parents ended their years (67 years happily married) in a smaller house on 3 2/3 acres of land plus owners of a semi-detached home in a small, wooded 55+ community, they started off living in two upstairs rooms of grandma’s (dad’s mil’s rented house), moved with one baby to Navy housing overseas, half of a Quonset hut where babies nos. two and three were born. Baby no. four was born in a sizable rental apartment back in the US. 
There was a full-sized rental house in NJ during which time, five cousins were taken in and eventually adopted. Dad left the Navy and Mom took part time work because t two older cousins were of age to take care of the youngest a few days after school.  This enabled the purchase of a fixer-upper on 3 2/3 acres where we lived for many years. Our parents rented out the house to daughter and son-in-law while they moved south for 12 years into a large house which they were able to purchase outright. 
Old age brought them back to the area of daughters and most of us, no more than a day’s drive. They sold the southern house and used the proceeds to downsize to the 55+ home. When they passed in 2023 at 96 and 98, the houses were willed to both daughters, the larger to daughter with two sons, the 55+ home to older daughter, single, no children. When we die, both homes will pass to son and a nephew. The only reason we live here is because both homes are inheritances, ownership passed on with zero mortgages. 
No way could they have purchased a home and land on a Navy salary. Dad grew up in two houses, owned outright by his grandparents and passed to his parents. At the time of their marriage, Mom was living with her mother in the upstairs of a rented house. She grew up living with relatives in rentals. During childhood, she was poor, her father having deserted the family during the Depression before FDR’s programs. At one point, she lived as a child in an Army tent set up in the woods behind her mother’s employer’s summer residence. Her childhood years were spent between two towns living with relatives, and a series of rentals in both locations. She was used to being “housing insecure” as they’d say in today’s parlance. So did she mind rentals or living in half a Quonset hut on a military base? No. To her it was normal. What was a huge upgrade was having a secure marriage to the right man.  
If Mom had required a standard of living as a newlywed equivalent to what she had in advanced age, I wouldn’t be writing this.  
Dad grew up in an intact family and never had to wonder or hear his parents worry about whether there’d be food in the table. But Dad was not spoiled. He knew from his grandparents the precariousness of life’s necessities. They were Potato Famine Irish who suffered much and fled Ireland only to suffer more in the New World. His parents grew up in the Irish slums of NYC. He knew poverty and sacrifice in the vicarious sense. 
Both my parents knew the only true security in this life comes from God through faithfulness to His Son and the Church He founded, plus reliance on His Mother.  
Sadly, this mindset is lacking in today’s young adults. True reliance on God has passed from living memory so that religion is a commodity, an expected cultural accoutrement instead of one’s life’s blood. 
If a young adult has no practical understanding of the Catholic life beyond the smells and bells, the house, the land, the vehicles, the standard of living, the marriage will be lacking even if it remains intact. 
So, yes, young man who offers a trailer home, don’t feel badly about yourself if you’ve worked your hardest. You’re better off single than with a wife whose priorities are misplaced.