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Working for companies that have immoral clients
« on: December 18, 2019, 12:41:49 PM »
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  • I think it would be almost impossible today to find a company that will not have a single immoral/evil client.

    If you work for a company that

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    Re: Working for companies that have immoral clients
    « Reply #1 on: December 18, 2019, 01:01:16 PM »
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  • I had no idea that pressing enter in the subject line posts a new topic.

    Anyway I was going to change the subject line to: 

    "Are Catholics bound to avoid working for a company that will have bad/immoral clients?"

    Like I said in the beginning, it is probably super hard to find companies that will not have any immoral clients. I don't mean the clients themselves being immoral of course, but their business.

    For example, working for a marketing company. They might do honest advertising for 100% neutral businesses like plumbers, carpenters, bakeries, electricians, construction companies, moving companies, airlines etc. etc. but at the same time they might have clients that sell immodest clothing/underwear or offer stem cell treatments, vain plastic surgery etc.

    Unless you own your own business, you will not be able to choose your clients, so you will inevitably be helping these immoral businesses make more sales/become visible etc.

    It's not just marketing, this happens in almost any job.

    If you're in sales, you might have to acquire/sell to immoral businesses.

    Web design/programming/etc., all these services can be done for immoral businesses as well.


    So are Catholics bound to suffer the hardships that finding a company that will not have a single immoral client bring?



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    Re: Working for companies that have immoral clients
    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2019, 04:03:30 PM »
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  • I had no idea that pressing enter in the subject line posts a new topic.

    Anyway I was going to change the subject line to:

    "Are Catholics bound to avoid working for a company that will have bad/immoral clients?"

    Like I said in the beginning, it is probably super hard to find companies that will not have any immoral clients. I don't mean the clients themselves being immoral of course, but their business.

    For example, working for a marketing company. They might do honest advertising for 100% neutral businesses like plumbers, carpenters, bakeries, electricians, construction companies, moving companies, airlines etc. etc. but at the same time they might have clients that sell immodest clothing/underwear or offer stem cell treatments, vain plastic surgery etc.

    Unless you own your own business, you will not be able to choose your clients, so you will inevitably be helping these immoral businesses make more sales/become visible etc.

    It's not just marketing, this happens in almost any job.

    If you're in sales, you might have to acquire/sell to immoral businesses.

    Web design/programming/etc., all these services can be done for immoral businesses as well.


    So are Catholics bound to suffer the hardships that finding a company that will not have a single immoral client bring?
    You cannot avoid these kinds of things, it is just a part of existing.

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    Re: Working for companies that have immoral clients
    « Reply #3 on: December 18, 2019, 04:22:13 PM »
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  • I think it depends on the nature of the activities and the degree of cooperation with the evil.

    Formal cooperation with the evil is forbidden.

    Material cooperation admits of varying degrees, the closeness and gravity of which must have proportionate justifying cause.

    Do you have specific examples, OP?  If not, consult a priest.

    Simply doing a non-intrinsically-evil business with a client who happens to be engaged in evil activity is a bit more remote and can be justified more easily than in providing services that are either intrinsically evil themselves or which are necessary for the perpetration of the evil activity.  So, for instance, I might work for a company that has a contract to pick up trash from a strip club.  Not a grave problem unless I could easily find another job that doesn't labor under such difficulties.  But, if I work for an IT consulting firm that develops a website with impure materials used to promote said strip club, then that's obviously a different story.  You cannot do that.  And there are degrees in between.  For specific scenarios, please consult a priest.

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    Re: Working for companies that have immoral clients
    « Reply #4 on: December 19, 2019, 11:47:52 AM »
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  • I think it depends on the nature of the activities and the degree of cooperation with the evil.

    Formal cooperation with the evil is forbidden.

    Material cooperation admits of varying degrees, the closeness and gravity of which must have proportionate justifying cause.

    Do you have specific examples, OP?  If not, consult a priest.

    Simply doing a non-intrinsically-evil business with a client who happens to be engaged in evil activity is a bit more remote and can be justified more easily than in providing services that are either intrinsically evil themselves or which are necessary for the perpetration of the evil activity.  So, for instance, I might work for a company that has a contract to pick up trash from a strip club.  Not a grave problem unless I could easily find another job that doesn't labor under such difficulties.  But, if I work for an IT consulting firm that develops a website with impure materials used to promote said strip club, then that's obviously a different story.  You cannot do that.  And there are degrees in between.  For specific scenarios, please consult a priest.
    Ok let's be specific: I am referring to working for this type of company: https://www.rakuten.com/shop/?scid=cb_menu&l-id=cb_menu

    As you can see, Rakuten is an electronic commerce and online retailing company and they sell all manner of things, mostly neutral I would say, but of course there are bound to be immodest clothes in there, especially around summer I would imagine.

    As for the specific job I'd be doing there, it would probably be setting and managing the ad campaigns in Google or in their own platform for any of those products.

    Now I myself would not be responsible for creating the images and the headlines/messages, perhaps, since a company this big probably has a department to specifically take care of that; I'd probably just be sent the images/copy and just deploying the campaigns and managing them.

    I could be handed all the electronic, shoes, books and food stuff, which are all fine I would say.

    But then again I might be assigned to the clothing department, which is where the problem comes, but even here, not everything is 100% immodest.



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    Re: Working for companies that have immoral clients
    « Reply #5 on: December 20, 2019, 11:59:43 PM »
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  • I had no idea that pressing enter in the subject line posts a new topic.

    Anyway I was going to change the subject line to:

    "Are Catholics bound to avoid working for a company that will have bad/immoral clients?"

    Like I said in the beginning, it is probably super hard to find companies that will not have any immoral clients. I don't mean the clients themselves being immoral of course, but their business.

    For example, working for a marketing company. They might do honest advertising for 100% neutral businesses like plumbers, carpenters, bakeries, electricians, construction companies, moving companies, airlines etc. etc. but at the same time they might have clients that sell immodest clothing/underwear or offer stem cell treatments, vain plastic surgery etc.

    Unless you own your own business, you will not be able to choose your clients, so you will inevitably be helping these immoral businesses make more sales/become visible etc.

    It's not just marketing, this happens in almost any job.

    If you're in sales, you might have to acquire/sell to immoral businesses.

    Web design/programming/etc., all these services can be done for immoral businesses as well.


    So are Catholics bound to suffer the hardships that finding a company that will not have a single immoral client bring?
    If you live the holiness that God calls you to live you could be that impetus toward the conversion of some of those immoral clients. 

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    Re: Working for companies that have immoral clients
    « Reply #6 on: December 21, 2019, 09:56:45 AM »
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  • Take your false piety, lies, and creamy cheese sauce and leave, Poche.

    You are an unrepentant, willful, habitual, serial liar.

    Even today you pretended that "you" and "it" are the same. https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/friday-or-not-whats-your-dinner/msg680141/#msg680141

    Liar.