Author Topic: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin (Read 25772 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #375 on:** February 07, 2019, 11:35:03 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on February 07, 2019, 10:43:13 AM

... false. Imperfections do "count against" sanctity. Saints are typically expected to have exercised "heroic virtue".

So we don’t see examples of the saints wearing makeup because it is an imperfection?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #376 on:** February 07, 2019, 11:59:42 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 07, 2019, 11:35:03 AM

So we don’t see examples of the saints wearing makeup because it is an imperfection?

You'd have to ask them.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #377 on:** February 07, 2019, 06:15:34 PM »

All anony posters who are male should not be commenting on what women should or should not do.

1JUDGE not, that you may not be judged, 2For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #378 on:** February 07, 2019, 07:00:00 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 07, 2019, 06:15:34 PM

All anony posters who are male should not be commenting on what women should or should not do.

1JUDGE not, that you may not be judged, 2For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

I gather you sensed the insufficiency of Ladislaus's response, and felt the need to make a better one.
But your feminist response would have been better lef tunsaid for the weakness of principle it exhibits, which seems to be this:
No male (priest) can tell me whether or not I can wear makeup.
In fact, I find this attitude rather refreshing, since it is the true one which underlies most of the pro-makeup responses in this thread:
"I am woman, and I'm gonna' do what I want to do, and nobody can tell me any different."
Only about a 1/2 step from "Keep your Rosaries off my ovaries."
Meanwhile, the absence of any evidence from the lives of the saints evincing the wearing of makeup among any of them is a rather jarring (and to you, unpleasant) observation.
Surely there were some who, subjectively, did not consider the significance of what they were doing, and their ignorance saved them.
But that there is no mention of makeup in the lives of the saints is interesting.
Were we to research the entire Migne, would we have any better luck coming up with...something?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #379 on:** February 07, 2019, 07:03:05 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 07, 2019, 07:00:00 PM

I gather you sensed the insufficiency of Ladislaus's response, and felt the need to make a better one.
But your feminist response would have been better lef tunsaid for the weakness of principle it exhibits, which seems to be this:
No male (priest) can tell me whether or not I can wear makeup.
In fact, I find this attitude rather refreshing, since it is the true one which underlies most of the pro-makeup responses in this thread:
"I am woman, and I'm gonna' do what I want to do, and nobody can tell me any different."
Only about a 1/2 step from "Keep your Rosaries off my ovaries."
Meanwhile, the absence of any evidence from the lives of the saints evincing the wearing of makeup among any of them is a rather jarring (and to you, unpleasant) observation.
Surely there were some who, subjectively, did not consider the significance of what they were doing, and their ignorance saved them.
But that there is no mention of makeup in the lives of the saints is interesting.
Were we to research the entire Migne, would we have any better luck coming up with...something?

Meanwhile the priests, sensing the intransigence of the femenine ire, choose to endorse it, to maintain the semblance of authority and influence.
But how many painted ladies would retain their faith were their priest to tell them in the confessional the makeup must go?
My guess is a fair number of them would be led by their vanity out of the Church and straight into hell.
Does that have any bearing on what seems to be a modern permission in this regard?

MaterDominici · « **Reply #380 on:** February 07, 2019, 08:04:49 PM »

Quote from: Judith 15 Ten on February 07, 2019, 08:23:53 AM

Yeah, but they wore excessive makeup that made them look like clowns, ...
Small, modest amounts of makeup is not a transgression against God. It's not prideful or an act of deception or revolt.

This line of reasoning has been repeated several times, but I don't understand the logic at all.
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The saints who've declared makeup to be a venial sin specifically addressed the deception involved.
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Now that makeup has changed to the point that the ideal is such that the average observer doesn't know you're wearing makeup, it is suddenly not deceptive? (and likewise not a venial sin?) I'd think it's even MORE deceptive because not only are you concealing your true appearance (as the "clown face" would do), but also possibly leading others to believe that which is artificial really is your true appearance.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #381 on:** February 07, 2019, 08:39:27 PM »

But cosmetics now are WAY different than 100, 200 or 500 yrs ago. Comparing apples to oranges, both in product and also in why people used the product (ie intent).

MaterDominici · « **Reply #382 on:** February 07, 2019, 08:57:54 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 07, 2019, 08:39:27 PM

But cosmetics now are WAY different than 100, 200 or 500 yrs ago. Comparing apples to oranges, both in product and also in why people used the product (ie intent).

They may be different, but I don't think it's beyond our ability to compare and contrast the two both in type and in motivation as demonstrated by how/when/where it is used.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #383 on:** February 07, 2019, 09:09:02 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 07, 2019, 08:39:27 PM

But cosmetics now are WAY different than 100, 200 or 500 yrs ago. Comparing apples to oranges, both in product and also in why people used the product (ie intent).

Apples to apples:
The intent 200, 800, 1500, and 2,000 years ago was precisely the same as it is today:
To hide the real face, and present a (perceived) better one, for a whole array of motives.
Is the powdered woman of Victorian England grossly excessive in comparison to today’s mascara and painted eyebrows?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #384 on:** February 07, 2019, 09:19:28 PM »

As an aside, I am wondering why, if the use of makeup among trad hotties is so sparing and imperceptible, do they fear to be seen without (even by their husbands)?

If it really is so spare and imperceptible, then there really shouldn’t be much difference in the appearance with or without it.

And while we’re on that topic, why do the trad hotties fight tooth and nail to retain their disguise if, as their “enlightened” masculine defenders declare, it makes almost no difference to the appearance?

Isn’t this all really just disingenuine justification to defend an a priori position:

“I’m going to wear makeup, period, and nobody can tell me anything to the contrary (or if they do, I will whip out Fr. Urrutigoity’s famous charge of Puritanism against my enemies to transfer the guilt onto them, as a means of continuing in my licentiousness).”

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #385 on:** February 08, 2019, 02:59:44 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 07, 2019, 06:15:34 PM

All anony posters who are male should not be commenting on what women should or should not do.

1JUDGE not, that you may not be judged, 2For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

1. We heard you the first time.

2. I haven't heard any woman's name thrown out in this ENTIRE thread. Philosophizing or discussing in the abstract whether or not something is sinful CANNOT be "judgment" in any case.
Judgment must ALWAYS have a victim. A victim with a name.

Just because your conscience is smarting as you read this thread doesn't mean anyone is judging you! We're discussing the practical application of God's Law and sin on a Traditional Catholic Forum. The moderator (me) approves.

Feelings do not equal reality. You can "feel" judged or whatever, but unless someone singles you out personally, you have not been judged.

Matthew

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #386 on:** February 08, 2019, 08:25:09 PM »

Once again, I'm not against make-up if it's subtle and not clownish or screams "prostitute!"

I don't wear any. It takes less time to get up and out of the house. It saves money. It causes my psoriasis to flare up. It covers three scars that serve as interesting conversation pieces. The scars also give me a distinct appearance without being grossly disfiguring.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #387 on:** February 08, 2019, 08:28:20 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 08, 2019, 08:06:36 PM

Google prostitute makeup and look at the images.
Of you look like that, it's too much.

Makeup such as that would be mortally sinful and, as no one has suggested otherwise, not really relevant to this conversation.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #388 on:** February 08, 2019, 10:15:50 PM »

I notice trad hotties and prostitutes wear makeup for the same reason:

To catch a man.

jen51 · « **Reply #389 on:** February 09, 2019, 09:13:16 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 08, 2019, 10:15:50 PM

hotties

Could you stop saying that, please?

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