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Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2019, 01:54:25 PM »
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  • More or less an admission that the REAL reason women want to wear makeup is for sex appeal.
    Sad (but revealing) to see this degree of worldliness so prevalent among trades.
    When my wife meets up with her married Russian girlfriends in some European city they dress up in their latest finery, swap clothes, wear make-up and all complement each other on how young they still look, drink champagne and then go back to their hotel and chat.
    I think women have far wider interests in make-up and clothes than simply seeing how many men's heads they can turn.
    It is like saying the REAL reason that men buy high performance sport cars for sex appeal to women.  That is part of it, for some men some of the time, but they also enjoy putting their foot down, throwing it into a corner, the sound of the V8 engine, talking to other petrol heads and the admiring glances from other men.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #61 on: January 24, 2019, 01:58:49 PM »
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  • When my wife meets up with her married Russian girlfriends in some European city they dress up in their latest finery, swap clothes, wear make-up and all complement each other on how young they still look, drink champagne and then go back to their hotel and chat.
    I think women have far wider interests in make-up and clothes than simply seeing how many men's heads they can turn.

    Oh, absolutely, MOST of the time women wear their makeup to look good among their LADY friends.  They're more concerned about what other WOMEN think of them than what men think.  Why?  Well, it's because women can be ruthless:  "Hey, Becky, did you see how haggard and ugly Joann looked?  She really needs to wear makeup."

    I bet 99% of the people here railing against makeup are not married.  When you get married, you start to understand more and more how women think.


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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #62 on: January 24, 2019, 02:11:04 PM »
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  • That's not what she said.  She said that NOT wearing makeup becomes an obstacle for men even stopping to take the time to get to know them.  And, sadly, she's right.  Lots of Trad men would ignore the women without makeup and gravitate towards the ones who wear it ... even while bloviating the entire time about how wearing makeup is a sin.

    It's almost like the sports players who feel they need to take steroids to compete, even if they don't want to, because everyone else is using them ... and that puts them at a competitive disadvantage.
    Exactly what I am lamenting: 
    She is admitting that unless she makes herself a sex object, she will not attract a breeding partner.
    May I suggest she deserves a better sort, who loves her for what she is, and for something above and beyond carnal attraction?
    Ps: This argument also acknowledges that she will be prowling about in public in cosmetics.
    Look how quickly grads have gleefully exceeded even St Thomas’s exception (and how quickly those who would hold to the position of the saints are on that account something less than gentlemen)!

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #63 on: January 24, 2019, 02:23:36 PM »
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  • Most of these anti-makeup posters are taking some random saint quote out of context.  You have to look at these quotes based on history and what was going on at the time, because most likely, these saints were talking about a VERY specific problem; they weren't being anti-makeup in general.  If the Church is truly against makeup, then you wouldn't have to go back to the middle ages (or longer) to find a quote condemning the practice.  I can go find a sermon from last week talking about the evils of drunkeness or infidelity.  Because priests OF EVERY AGE have to condemn such things.  If there's no consistant condemnation of makeup, then that's a sign that the use is conditional and only wrong under some circuмstances.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #64 on: January 24, 2019, 03:00:59 PM »
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  • It's always a good idea to function in the real world, how it is, not how we would like it to be.

    You may suggest we deserve to live in neighbourhoods without thieves and rapists, but until we do, which will be never, I am not talking my locks of the doors and windows.

    I have long suggested to men who are struggling to find someone to marry that they lower their sights in the looks department and raise them in the moral character department.

    Eventually many men do.  I know lots of men who chased 9s, refused to date 7s and ended up marrying a 5 or 6.  Had they been smarter earlier they could have snagged a 7.

    Like the basement discount store don't take too long to make your mind up because someone else will grab it.

    I can't stand these 1-10 numbers, firstly because even physical beauty is in fact very subjective (every man finds different things attractive and unattractive), physical beauty is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to OVERALL beauty.  What you consider a 10, others might consider a 5, and vice versa.  When people throw these numbers out there, they imply that it's some objective standard.  Some of these women who have won the title "most beautiful woman in the world" appear downright ugly to me.  Take Scarlett Johansson, who makes the top of all these lists.  I find her downright unattractive, a "3" or a "4" at BEST (in my reckoning).  Someone who's physically a "10" could be practically repulsive as soon as she opens her mouth and her personality (and lack of character) spew forth.  Even by worldly standards, you could have a very "plain" (by physical-only standards) woman who's extremely attractive because of her personality and intelligence and character.  I've known some of these, where despite below-average looks, they got a lot of interest from men.  I don't care HOW good-looking someone is, after a relatively brief time, the looks wear off and you start to see the person underneath.  How many people get married based on superficial considerations and then, soon after, find that they don't actually like the person who begins to emerge from the inside?  Why do you think that all these great-looking celebrities are in their 7th or 8th "marriages" (not counting other affairs)?  Men need to look for OVERALL beauty, not the fleeting superficial beauty.  Gregg is absolutely correct that the brain is the most powerful sɛҳuąƖ organ.


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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #65 on: January 24, 2019, 03:04:02 PM »
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  • Cindy Crawford is another one for me.  Like, yuck, maybe a "2".   :)

    Sometimes my wife will ask me, "Don't you think she's pretty?" and most of the time I say, "no, not really" and she'd be shocked.  She would think that some woman is breathtakingly beautiful and she'd be wondering how it was possible that I didn't agree.  And she knows that I am always honest with her.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #66 on: January 24, 2019, 03:17:01 PM »
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  • Oh, absolutely, MOST of the time women wear their makeup to look good among their LADY friends.  They're more concerned about what other WOMEN think of them than what men think.  Why?  Well, it's because women can be ruthless:  "Hey, Becky, did you see how haggard and ugly Joann looked?  She really needs to wear makeup."

    I bet 99% of the people here railing against makeup are not married.  When you get married, you start to understand more and more how women think.
    Absolutely correct! It could just as well go: I think Susie should take some lessons on how to apply her makeup. Did you see how it was plastered? 
    I never think about applying makeup to please my husband, either at home or when going out. When women go out in public they are, I believe, much more concerned by what other women think of them.
    Those Russian ladies are beautiful in figure, grace and movement but that makeup is indeed plastered. It is not  offensive as long as they are on stage at a distance. The trouble is that some women wear stage makeup when they are offstage. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #67 on: January 24, 2019, 03:23:59 PM »
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  • Most of these anti-makeup posters are taking some random saint quote out of context.  You have to look at these quotes based on history and what was going on at the time, because most likely, these saints were talking about a VERY specific problem; they weren't being anti-makeup in general.  If the Church is truly against makeup, then you wouldn't have to go back to the middle ages (or longer) to find a quote condemning the practice.  I can go find a sermon from last week talking about the evils of drunkeness or infidelity.  Because priests OF EVERY AGE have to condemn such things.  If there's no consistant condemnation of makeup, then that's a sign that the use is conditional and only wrong under some circuмstances.
    According to that sophistic principle (ie., The Church is not against anything it hasn’t condemned recently), the Church would not be against donation, Pelagianism, Albigensianism, usury, Nestorianism, etc., and would by the same false principle be forced into perpetually repeating all its condemnations lest one presume that which was condemned is now permitted.
    Now, it was not the Church which condemned makeup, but the preponderance of saints, Fathers, doctors, and popes who taught against it (a preponderance the humble will yield to, and the proud and strident will openly resist).
    Have you ever found a citation of any father, Doctor, or pope ENCOURAGING cosmetics for the reasons some here have contrived (eg., it’s necessary to catch a man; Etc)?
    Inconceivable.


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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #68 on: January 24, 2019, 03:51:14 PM »
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     I don't care HOW good-looking someone is, after a relatively brief time, the looks wear off and you start to see the person underneath
    This is true.  But how do you spend a relatively brief period of time with a woman in order to see the person underneath.

    You either work with them, or you date them.  These are the normal ways to spend enough time with a woman.

    Singing in the choir with them does not, generally speaking, allow you to see the person underneath.  Neither does meeting them in the tea room after Church once every 2 months.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #69 on: January 24, 2019, 04:22:07 PM »
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  • Most of these anti-makeup posters ...
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    Of course, we don't know how many anti-makeup poster(s) there are.  Since they were all anonymous, they might have all been the same one poster. 

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #70 on: January 24, 2019, 04:31:36 PM »
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  • ....I never think about applying makeup to please my husband, either at home or when going out. ...
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    I think of makeup as part of looking my best.  I won't always put it on around the house, but if my husband is taking me to a nice restaurant for my birthday, I'll wear makeup along with dressing nicely to please him.  I also try to wear it on Sundays as part of my "Sunday best", whereas on other days, if I'm running behind, I might not have any, or not much.  I also try to keep it as natural looking as possible.  I figure it's an act of charity to everyone when I'm wearing it, to look nicer for them, and if I don't have time to put some on, they have to offer it up when they look at me!   :laugh1:    Also, in these days, Trad Catholic women can get criticized for the Little House on the Prairie look if we don't at least follow the customs of our times (while still dressing modestly & in a dignified manner), which includes wearing some amount of makeup, within reason, rather than looking like the Amish.  


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    « Reply #71 on: January 24, 2019, 04:47:50 PM »
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    I think of makeup as part of looking my best.  I won't always put it on around the house, but if my husband is taking me to a nice restaurant for my birthday, I'll wear makeup along with dressing nicely to please him.  I also try to wear it on Sundays as part of my "Sunday best", whereas on other days, if I'm running behind, I might not have any, or not much.  I also try to keep it as natural looking as possible.  I figure it's an act of charity to everyone when I'm wearing it, to look nicer for them, and if I don't have time to put some on, they have to offer it up when they look at me!   :laugh1:    Also, in these days, Trad Catholic women can get criticized for the Little House on the Prairie look if we don't at least follow the customs of our times (while still dressing modestly & in a dignified manner), which includes wearing some amount of makeup, within reason, rather than looking like the Amish.  
    I am the same way when walking around the lake with my wife: 
    I would never wear a speedo at home, but I want her to be proud walking next to me, so I like to put on a speedo when we go out.  I think it is charity that she should get to show me off to all the other honeys.  It shows I am really pleasing her.  
    Its just part of looking my best.
    I do it for her.
    :facepalm: :o ;)

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #72 on: January 24, 2019, 04:53:58 PM »
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    I think of makeup as part of looking my best.  I won't always put it on around the house, but if my husband is taking me to a nice restaurant for my birthday, I'll wear makeup along with dressing nicely to please him.  I also try to wear it on Sundays as part of my "Sunday best", whereas on other days, if I'm running behind, I might not have any, or not much.  I also try to keep it as natural looking as possible.  I figure it's an act of charity to everyone when I'm wearing it, to look nicer for them, and if I don't have time to put some on, they have to offer it up when they look at me!   :laugh1:    Also, in these days, Trad Catholic women can get criticized for the Little House on the Prairie look if we don't at least follow the customs of our times (while still dressing modestly & in a dignified manner), which includes wearing some amount of makeup, within reason, rather than looking like the Amish.  
    Right on sister!
    For me, I go shirtless most of the summer, so my wife will be proud.
    It is how I show her I love her, and I want to be attractive for her (and want her to know all the other women want me too, but I chose her, so she feels really loved).
    Not sure what's up with all these puritans.
    I want a woman with tremendous sex appeal, because that's what it is all about.
    If you don't do the trick for me, you were meant for someone less good looking than me.
    Its all about the charity!
    :o ;) :facepalm:

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #73 on: January 24, 2019, 05:06:31 PM »
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  • How a [Jewess] Makeup Mogul Liberated Women by Putting Them in a Pretty New Cage
    By Lisa Hix — June 24th, 2015



    When Caitlyn Jenner made her debut on the July 2015 cover of “Vanity Fair” in full old-Hollywood glamour mode, her highly styled appearance triggered discussion and debate: After all, not every woman has the money to, or even wants to, embody that particular ideal of feminine beauty, which involves elaborate foundation makeup to create shimmery highlights and contoured cheeks. Fifty years after the women’s lib movement railed against makeup, we’re still deeply conflicted about the stuff. Is it a tool for oppression—a way to force women to conform to certain standards meant to please or seduce men? Is makeup empowering women, especially trans women like Caitlyn, to express their identities? Or does the culture of makeup give women more work to do, by making them ashamed of the faces they wake up with?

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    “She encouraged women to be exceptional at a time when the world disparaged nonconformity and hated it for women.”
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    In the Victorian and Edwardian periods, respectable Western middle-class society condemned regular use of makeup, which was thought of as something only stage actors and prostitutes used. (Although some women probably dabbled in light makeup behind closed doors to fake the flawless bloom of youth.) In the 1910s, though, women in the suffrage movement wore bright red lipstick as an act of defiance. Helena Rubinstein—an early global female entrepreneur who began selling cold cream at her first beauty salon in Australia in 1902—jumped at this opportunity to create a mass market that never existed before: She championed makeup as a way for women to reinvent themselves and assert their individual personalities. For the flapper feminists of the 1910s and 1920s, makeup became a tool of liberation—both economic and sɛҳuąƖ—and Rubinstein taught them how to apply it.
    “Women were under such parochial constraints, including sartorial and domestic expectations,” explains Mason Klein, curator of the Jєωιѕн Museum in New York City, which presented the first-ever retrospective of the cosmetics magnate’s life and collections called, “Helena Rubinstein: Beauty Is Power,” this past winter. Currently, the Jєωιѕн Museum-organized show is on display at Boca Raton Museum of Art in Boca Raton, Florida, until July 12, 2015. “The middle class frowned terribly upon women who wore makeup. It was only actresses, prostitutes, and the very wealthy who could make themselves up. Rubinstein wanted to make beauty accessible to everyone.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #74 on: January 24, 2019, 05:10:36 PM »
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  • Cindy Crawford is another one for me.  Like, yuck, maybe a "2".   :)

    Sometimes my wife will ask me, "Don't you think she's pretty?" and most of the time I say, "no, not really" and she'd be shocked.  She would think that some woman is breathtakingly beautiful and she'd be wondering how it was possible that I didn't agree.  And she knows that I am always honest with her.
    Well Cindy Crawford has a relatively masculine face(especially these days now that it's more gaunt), so it really is no wonder your wife thinks she looks better than you do. People are often very bad at judging the attractiveness of their own gender.