Author Topic: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin (Read 20738 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** January 22, 2019, 06:55:12 PM »

My wife recently asked our priest (unbeknownst to me) whether it was permissible to wear makeup. This has not been an issue for us; I never gave her a hard time about it, but I also never thought she needed it. At the superficial level, most people would find her attractive without it. It was only his answer, which struck me as curious, which caused me to investigate it.

Here is the curious (and acceptable part of the priest's response):

"Not only should you strive to look socially acceptable, but further you are you consecrated by your baptism you are a temple of the Holy Ghost through the state of grace. To look as befits a temple of God is proper.

Like the use of any creature, there can be the possibility of using it in excess and defect."

That response seems at once "reasonable" yet "superficial." To "look as befits a temple of God" is done through dignity, integrity, seriousness, and virtuosity.....not makeup.

I found this quote online from St. Cyprian (and affirmed by St. Thomas Aquinas in the Summa) which has me rethinking the whole matter entirely:

"St. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, Father of the Church (De Habit. Virg.): “I hold that not only virgins and widows, but also wives and all women without exception, should be admonished that nowise should they deface God’s work and fabric, the clay that He has fashioned, with the aid of yellow pigments, black powders or rouge, or by applying any dye that alters the natural features. . . They lay hands on God, when they strive to reform what He has formed. This is an assault on the Divine handiwork, a distortion of the truth. Thou shalt not be able to see God, having no longer the eyes that God made, but those the devil has unmade; with him shalt thou burn on whose account thou art bedecked.” (Quoted by St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, in the Summa Theologica, Second Part of the Second Part, Q. 169, Art. 2)

Now I worry I have been remiss in allowing my wife to wear makeup (a woman who, being much holier than I, gathered all her makeup in a bag and tossed it in the trash without my knowledge!).

What do you guys think about the morality of women wearing ANY MAKEUP AT ALL?

I am extremely reticent to take the opinion of an SSPX priest over St. Cyprian and St. Thomas Aquinas!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2019, 07:09:31 PM »

"Thomas replies that the wearing of cosmetics is only a sin for women who wear cosmetics for the “sake of sensuous pleasure or in contempt of God” (II-II, q. 169, a. 2, ad. 2). In the case of married women: “If a married woman adorn herself in order to please her husband, she can do this without sin” (II-II, q. 169, a. 2, c). Thomas explains in detail that married women may adorn themselves moderately with clothing and with cosmetics in order to please their husbands." https://taylormarshall.com/2009/03/aquinas-on-womens-cosmetics.html

Question: OK, so does this mean they need to remove the makeup before they leave the house (i.e., I don't see how they could be allowed to "please their husbands" in this way in public, where they shall (umm) "please" many who are not their husbands?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2019, 07:17:07 PM »

If you acceot the revelations of St. Bridget, Our Lord is alleged to have told her:

"From the Revelations and Prophecies of St. Bridget: “Eleventh, she should be content with the colors and beauty by which God has adorned her face; for extraneous color is very displeasing to God”.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2019, 07:23:38 PM »

From the same Article II of the Summa quoted in the OP:

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"Wherefore [/color]Augustine[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] says (Ep. ccxlv ad Possid.): "To dye oneself with paints in order to have a rosier or a paler complexion is a lying counterfeit. I [/color]doubt[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] whether even their husbands are willing to be deceived by it, by whom alone" (i.e. the husbands) "are they to be permitted, but not ordered, to adorn themselves." However, such painting does not always involve a mortal [/color]sin[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)], but only when it is done for the sake of sensuous pleasure or in contempt of [/color]God[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)], and it is to like cases that [/color]Cyprian[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] refers."[/color]

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2019, 07:28:58 PM »

OK, so women can wear light makeup for their husbands only (i.e., in the home only)??

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2019, 07:34:14 PM »

Maybe its analogous to men wearing tank-tops: If the Missus likes me to flex my pythons around the house for her viewing pleasure (lol), I would be allowed to do so (?), but I certainly could not go to the Walmart like that, because it would be an occasion to sin for all the women 8) (i.e., I could not go out in public looking like that, and still maintain that it was "only for my wife")?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2019, 07:50:54 PM »

"While serving Damasus, Jerome had impressed all by his personal holiness, learning, and integrity. But he had also managed to get himself widely disliked by pagans and evil-doers whom he had condemned, and also by people of taste and tolerance, many of them Christians, who were offended by his biting sarcasm and a certain ruthlessness in attack. An example of his style is the harsh diatribe against the artifices of worldly women, who "paint their cheeks with rouge and their eyelids with antimony, whose plastered faces, too white for human beings, look like idols; and if in a moment of forgetfulness they shed a tear it makes a furrow where it rolls down the painted cheek; women to whom years do not bring the gravity of age, who load their heads with other people's hair, enamel a lost youth upon the wrinkles of age, and affect a maidenly timidity in the midst of a troop of grand children." https://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/jerome.htm

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2019, 07:56:39 PM »

Found this quote attributed to Tertullian, but no citation (or whether this was said during his orthodox or heretical period): "For those women sin against God when they rub their skin with ointments, stain their cheeks with rouge, and make their eyes prominent with antimony. To them, I suppose, the artistic skill of God is displeasing!"

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2019, 07:58:23 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on January 22, 2019, 07:56:39 PM

Found this quote attributed to Tertullian, but no citation (or whether this was said during his orthodox or heretical period): "For those women sin against God when they rub their skin with ointments, stain their cheeks with rouge, and make their eyes prominent with antimony. To them, I suppose, the artistic skill of God is displeasing!"

This quote very nearly approximated that attributed to Jerome above it; wondering is someone got their citations/attributions mixed up?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2019, 08:12:11 PM »

St. Augustine quoting St. Ambrose:

As an introduction, Augustine's "On Christian Doctrine, book IV" discloses not only his opinion but also that of Cyprian (d.258 AD) and Ambrose (d.397 AD). Let's find out the unanimous voice of the Church Fathers:

50. Ambrose again, inveighing against such practices, says: "Hence arise these incentives to vice, that women, in their fear that they may not prove attractive to men, paint their faces with carefully-chosen colors, and then from stains on their features go on to stains on their chastity. What folly it is to change the features of nature into those of painting, and from fear of incurring their husband's disapproval, to proclaim openly that they have incurred their own! For the woman who desires to alter her natural appearance pronounces condemnation on herself; and her eager endeavors to please another prove that she has first been displeasing to herself. And what testimony to your ugliness can we find, O woman, that is more unquestionable than your own, when you are afraid to show yourself? If you are comely why do you hide your comeliness? If you are plain, why do you lyingly pretend to be beautiful, when you can not enjoy the pleasure of the lie either in your own consciousness or in that of another? For he loves another woman, you desire to please another man; and you are angry if he love another, though he is taught adultery in you. You are the evil promptress of your own injury. For even the woman who has been the victim of a pander shrinks from acting the pander's part, and though she be vile, it is herself she sins against and not another. The crime of adultery is almost more tolerable than yours; for adultery tampers with modesty, but you with nature." It is sufficiently clear, I think, that this eloquence calls passionately upon women to avoid tampering with their appearance by deceitful arts, and to cultivate modesty and fear.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2019, 08:16:28 PM »

The most indignant St. Ambrose on the subject of women in makeup:

https://archive.org/stream/fathersofthechur027571mbp#page/n275/mode/2up

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2019, 08:19:00 PM »

And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life. (Jer.4:30)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2019, 08:23:52 PM »

Men be VERY careful, but if anyone does a google search on what precisely lipstick is meant to imitate, it is purely sɛҳuąƖ, even if naive women wear it oblivious of its intended cannotations.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2019, 08:30:45 PM »

Definition of "Lipstick" and its origin and historical use:

a.) A cosmetic applied to the lips of a female; usually. Its use was developed in ancient times by prostitutes as a form of advertisement, by painting their lips to match [edited], so the male customer would get a glimpse of what he was getting. Lipstick was, then, various shades of red and pink...

How many women realize this as they "tastefully" apply just a little bit of "lip stick?"

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2019, 08:33:27 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on January 22, 2019, 08:30:45 PM

Definition of "Lipstick" and its origin and historical use:

a.) A cosmetic applied to the lips of a female; usually. Its use was developed in ancient times by prostitutes as a form of advertisement, by painting their lips to match [edited], so the male customer would get a glimpse of what he was getting. Lipstick was, then, various shades of red and pink...

How many women realize this as they "tastefully" apply just a little bit of "lip stick?"

Dear Moderator: Upon firther reflection, perhaps I should not have even posted this edited definition. It might leads minds into dangerous territory. At the moment I thought it was necessary to expose the origin of lip stick. Now I am afraif I will be the cause of sin for having done so. Is there any way to delete this?

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