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Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
« Reply #210 on: January 27, 2019, 10:53:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 27, 2019, 10:51:36 PM
    26 people on this thread, at 11:45PM EST, about makeup?

    Man, trads are in sorry shape if there is division among them on this score!

    What could be clearer than St. Thomas and St. Alphonsus on the matter?
    Oh believe me, they will continue to try!
    The saints must repent, in order that license may intrude into the traddy domain.
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #211 on: January 27, 2019, 10:58:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 27, 2019, 10:51:36 PM
    26 people on this thread, at 11:45PM EST, about makeup?

    Man, trads are in sorry shape if there is division among them on this score!

    What could be clearer than St. Thomas and St. Alphonsus on the matter?
    You are way too invested on this topic and are starting to act unbalanced. It diminishes the credibility of your argument, even if the original argument has some merit to it. 
    Catholics need way more than a couple of isolated "quotes" from saints to form their consciences on any given topic. Leave that method to the Protestants. 
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #212 on: January 27, 2019, 11:18:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 27, 2019, 10:58:10 PM
    You are way too invested on this topic and are starting to act unbalanced. It diminishes the credibility of your argument, even if the original argument has some merit to it.
    Catholics need way more than a couple of isolated "quotes" from saints to form their consciences on any given topic. Leave that method to the Protestants.
    LOL!
    The one who will not accept the unanimous opinion of the saints accuses the one who will of being Protestant!  That's rich!
    Meanwhile, here it is again!
    St. Thomas and St. Alphonsus:

    "But with regard to makeup, it is always a sin."
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #213 on: January 27, 2019, 11:21:00 PM »
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    • How many frequent-makeup-wearing women do you know who don't also do most of these things:
    - own more than 6 pair of earrings, 6 necklaces, 6 bracelets, etc (the six allows for gifts or other sentimental items)
    - own more than 5 pair of shoes
    - go clothing shopping despite already having plenty of usable clothes
    - fashion their hair in some manner not in line with it's natural appearance (color, curl, straighten, etc)
    - have their fingernails regularly painted or wear fake nails

    These usually come as a package deal because they're all symptoms of the same disease -- vanity.

    Vanity need not involve an element of lust. Any over-attention paid to one's appearance is vanity.

    Note: I'm not attempting to say this is a huge deal as there are many more serious sins which most of us should worry about more than this, but you shouldn't pretend that being female justifies being vain. It is not at all difficult to abstain from these outward displays if you wish to do so. Furthermore, mere absence of makeup does not make anyone "unusual" or "extreme".
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #214 on: January 27, 2019, 11:23:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on January 27, 2019, 11:21:00 PM
    How many frequent-makeup-wearing women do you know who don't also do most of these things:
    - own more than 6 pair of earrings, 6 necklaces, 6 bracelets, etc (the six allows for gifts or other sentimental items)
    - own more than 5 pair of shoes
    - go clothing shopping despite already having plenty of usable clothes
    - fashion their hair in some manner not in line with it's natural appearance (color, curl, straighten, etc)
    - have their fingernails regularly painted or wear fake nails

    These usually come as a package deal because they're all symptoms of the same disease -- vanity.

    Vanity need not involve an element of lust. Any over-attention paid to one's appearance is vanity.

    Note: I'm not attempting to say this is a huge deal as there are many more serious sins which most of us should worry about more than this, but you shouldn't pretend that being female justifies being vain. It is not at all difficult to abstain from these outward displays if you wish to do so. Furthermore, mere absence of makeup does not make anyone "unusual" or "extreme".

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    « Reply #215 on: January 27, 2019, 11:25:04 PM »
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    Vanity need not involve an element of lust. Any over-attention paid to one's appearance is vanity.

    In that case, it would be an imperfection; and not a sin. 
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #216 on: January 27, 2019, 11:27:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 27, 2019, 11:25:04 PM
    In that case, it would be an imperfection; and not a sin.
    The insurmountable obstacle: 
    St. Thomas and St. Alphonsus:

    "But with regard to makeup, it is always a sin."
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    « Reply #217 on: January 27, 2019, 11:36:16 PM »
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    Furthermore, mere absence of makeup does not make anyone "unusual" or "extreme".

    I agree. The usual where I live, are women with totally washed faces. Unfortunately, they are also fat, dressed in rags, undone hair and nails, and very ugly in general. The sight is truly depressing. Rarely one sees a woman putting any effort at all towards their appearance anymore. I'd say the "extreme" nowadays are the pretty girls. 

    I don't think women should necessarily add make - up to look presentable, this is actually not THAT important. But come on! at least, lose some weight and comb your hair and clean your nails! 
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #218 on: January 27, 2019, 11:47:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 27, 2019, 11:25:04 PM
    In that case, it would be an imperfection; and not a sin.
    I don't think vanity is anything less than venial sin, but I've read different explanations of what constitutes an imperfection, so I'd have to see a source describing make-up or something similar as such to know if that's even a possibility.
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #219 on: January 27, 2019, 11:51:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 27, 2019, 11:36:16 PM
    I agree. The usual where I live, are women with totally washed faces. Unfortunately, they are also fat, dressed in rags, undone hair and nails, and very ugly in general. The sight is truly depressing. Rarely one sees a woman putting any effort at all towards their appearance anymore. I'd say the "extreme" nowadays are the pretty girls.

    I don't think women should necessarily add make - up to look presentable, this is actually not THAT important. But come on! at least, lose some weight and comb your hair and clean your nails!
    You don't sound like you live in a very affluent neighborhood.  :farmer:
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    Clean face, clean hands, clean hair, clean clothes ... this is basic hygiene and has nothing to do with vanity.
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #220 on: January 28, 2019, 05:32:30 AM »
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    • St. Thomas and St. Alphonsus:

    "But with regard to makeup, it is always a sin."
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    « Reply #221 on: January 28, 2019, 05:35:29 AM »
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    • Well-dressed; well-manicured; clean; cheerful; pretty,

    Catholic.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #222 on: January 28, 2019, 05:40:12 AM »
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    • Alphonsus on St. Thomas (in agreement):

    "Note, however, here what St. Thomas teaches in 2.2 qu 169, art. 2, where he says women desiring to please men from vanity only sin venally whenever they do it [Note that St. Alphonsus is saying that even St. Thomas believed this was venial sin].  But in his commentary on the first epistle to Timothy, chapter 2, the Angelic doctor so speaks: 'simple dress, with right intention, custom and condition of state preserved, is not a sin.  But with regard to make-up it is always a sin; for women are not permitted to be elegantly dressed except on account of men, and men refuse to be deceived, as a powdered woman would appear to him." (Vol. 1, p. 582)

    Alphonsus then quotes the opinions of still more doctors: 

    "Azor, Lessius, and Bonacina excuse them from mortal sin [not venial] who by the custom of the place uncover half the breast, or use powder, makeup, or wigs; provided that they only intend greater adornment of beauty, not wantonness for others, without any other end that would be mortal..."

    Add to this all the popes, fathers doctors, and saints writing against makeup in teh first few pages of this thread, and I am not sure why we are still having this discussion, lest it be simple obstinacy.
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    « Reply #223 on: January 28, 2019, 06:16:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 25, 2019, 05:54:24 PM
    Women who know how to apply makeup minimally do not look like they are wearing makeup.
    I know that.
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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #224 on: January 28, 2019, 08:48:58 AM »
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    • I think it's time to ban the idiot troll who just keeps posting the same thing over and over again in increasingly larger font sizes.

    Unfortunately, the moron can't and won't address the rationale that St. Thomas gives for saying that makeup is wrong.  He won't even complete the sentence, and yet claims that the thread is closed.

    He's just another misogynist baboon who has issues with purity and therefore stomps on women because of his own weakness and insecurity ... not unlike the Muslims tend to do.
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