Ladies should NOT wait until their 30's to get married! Chances are they will just end up being childless spinsters. Just ask the average feminist, liberal gal out there. Women have no much time.

Irrelevant to the issue of makeup, which St. Thomas and St. Alphonsus (and every other saint quoted by either) declares to be at least venally sinful.

Insofar as women are naturally inclined to vanity, then yes, they are naturally inclined to makeup. But, that doesn't make it virtuous.

Ok, at least you admit that makeup is not in the same universe as pants wearing; thank you.  ...I didn't say wearing makeup was virtuous, I said it is a TOOL of beauty, just like clothing or shoes or purses can be.  Makeup is an OBJECT; it's not inherently sinful, therefore it could/could not be used as vanity.  It depends on the person and their intention/attachment to it.

In former days, it would easier to make the argument that makeup was directly tied to vanity because it was so costly and it was not easy to obtain.  So if a woman spent all kinds of time/money to get it, such a purchase is both vain and luxurious and was TYPICALLY considered a wealth or "status" item.  Nowadays, however, cosmetics are everywhere, they are cheap, and they are considered a normal part of women's attire.  It could still be considered vain to use cosmetics today, but NOT in the same sense as 150 years ago.

But, gasp, she's wearing earrings.  That's an unnatural sɛҳuąƖ lure.  And she put up her hair.  Oh, vanity of vanities!

Self-righteous, hypocritical, Pharisaical idiots.

And she was only 14 years old in this photograph! Shocking indeed! How ever did she become a saint?

I have seen similar comments. Is it really possible for a non-member to post anonymously?.

No. You have to be a member in good standing to post in any sub-forum, including this one.

Ok, at least you admit that makeup is not in the same universe as pants wearing; thank you.  ...I didn't say wearing makeup was virtuous, I said it is a TOOL of beauty, just like clothing or shoes or purses can be.  Makeup is an OBJECT; it's not inherently sinful, therefore it could/could not be used as vanity.  It depends on the person and their intention/attachment to it.

In former days, it would easier to make the argument that makeup was directly tied to vanity because it was so costly and it was not easy to obtain.  So if a woman spent all kinds of time/money to get it, such a purchase is both vain and luxurious and was TYPICALLY considered a wealth or "status" item.  Nowadays, however, cosmetics are everywhere, they are cheap, and they are considered a normal part of women's attire.  It could still be considered vain to use cosmetics today, but NOT in the same sense as 150 years ago.

As far as I'm aware, there are only two categories of actions -- positive (virtue) and negative (sin). Many things can fall into one category or the other depending on the intention of the individual. But, it should be clearly pointed out what those pure intentions are, especially concerning an action that inclines 98% of a certain group of people toward sin.
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If we were talking about normal MEN and makeup, I would venture to say that the vast majority of use is a positive action with no sin involved as it's most often a tool on stage or screen to counter the effects of lights or make facial movements more visible.
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But, we're talking about women wearing makeup as a part of their normal routine. So, the intention is MOST OFTEN due to some degree of vanity (small as it might be) as is evidenced by when and where they choose to wear the makeup vs. not bothering to put it on.

-MaterD

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

-William Congrieve