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Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2019, 09:29:24 AM »
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  • Mmmm...I don't think so, certainly not as much as they imagine.

    Have you seen some of those celebrity ladies shown with and without makeup?

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS738US738&q=celebrities+with+and+without+makeup&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiru72Kn4ngAhXKpYMKHacCD5oQsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1555&bih=969

    And, yes, these cross the threshold of being unnatural.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #106 on: January 25, 2019, 09:54:36 AM »
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  • "Old barns need paint."  ;D


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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #107 on: January 25, 2019, 09:57:51 AM »
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  • If some of the men find make up unattractive why not just avoid women who wear it? If what they are wearing isn’t immodest than let it go.. I mean seriously.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #108 on: January 25, 2019, 11:28:32 AM »
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  • I think I have a mixed view here:

    It seems clear that excessive makeup is unanimously condemned (but what is “excessive?”);

    It is POSSIBLE (BUT NOT CLEARLY THE CASE) that sparing use of makeup MIGHT be permitted (particularly if not visible?), though I can easily imagine many saints banning any use of it at all;

    But PRESUMING slight use of makeup is permissible, I find the priest’s rationale in the OP very questionable: 

    The idea that it is external and superficial beauty which makes the person a fit temple of the Holy Ghost (rather than the state of the person’s soul), is worldly and uncatholic.

    If makeup made one a fit temple of the Holy Ghost, why have the convents never permitted cosmetics and even gin so far as to require the shaving of heads?  And by this same rationale, wouldn’t a beautiful slut be a more fit receptacle for the Holy Ghost than a homely Saint?

    My wife and one of her friends were discussing the issue, and her friend opined that trad women need to look beautiful (again equating beauty in purely physical rather than spiritual terms, and suggesting nice grooming, hygiene, and clothing/dressing simply aren’t sufficient), or people will be put off by their perception of Catholics, and not want to join the Church.

    That seems to be a similar argument to the one the priest is making.  But isn’t this really a repackaged version of the fundamental principle of Vatican II:

    “We must adapt to the modern world, and meet it on its own ground, if we are to convert it?”

    That strategy hasn’t exactly yielded good fruits!

    And I hate to be rash or suspicious, but that seems so obvious to me that it is difficult to believe those contriving such arguments are really persuaded by them (self-justifying sophisms).

    Maybe if the priest had left out the part about physical appearance making the person more fit to be a temple of the Holy Ghost, I would not have sling-shouted so far in the opposite direction, but it seems to me to be shocking worldliness and liberalism to think like that.  

    He should have left that out, acknowledged many saints condemned cosmetics, gave a firmer warning against subtle vanity, stressed the inner spiritual aspect of true beauty, and then cautiously conceded makeup at home for the husband or to cover blemishes, etc?

    But to wear it as fashion seems uncatholic (and condemned at Fatima as well).

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #109 on: January 25, 2019, 12:37:49 PM »
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  • Have you seen some of those celebrity ladies shown with and without makeup?

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS738US738&q=celebrities+with+and+without+makeup&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiru72Kn4ngAhXKpYMKHacCD5oQsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1555&bih=969

    And, yes, these cross the threshold of being unnatural.
    And then the regular, plain girls who see this imagine they can be made into celebrities with the use of cosmetics. The make-up industry takes advantage of women's delusions. You see a lot of zeros thinking they can be transformed into 10's just by using certain products... 
    Most of the women seen in that link are not really that beautiful, before, or even after the make up. Lots of 6 and 7's there, which can be helped with make up a little bit, as I said. 


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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #110 on: January 25, 2019, 12:51:54 PM »
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  • Also, I think that those pics of the link are biased. They are not necessarily accurate with the differences of angle, situations, events, weight, etc. For example, from the link, this is probably the best looking woman in my opinion:



    In the second picture, she looks more beautiful, but not because of the make up but simple because she is more slender.

    This is a woman who looks good (as most + 8 in the beauty scale actually do), before and after make up.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #111 on: January 25, 2019, 01:40:16 PM »
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  • I wish nobody would ever wear makeup but once it is allowed it becomes almost obligatory. It introduces massive fraud into the sɛҳuąƖ marketplace and when some women start wearing makeup all other women have to use it as well to compete unless they are willing to accept the fact that without makeup they will be seen as less desirable and will not be able to attract as good a husband.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #112 on: January 25, 2019, 02:15:14 PM »
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  • I wish nobody would ever wear makeup but once it is allowed it becomes almost obligatory. It introduces massive fraud into the sɛҳuąƖ marketplace and when some women start wearing makeup all other women have to use it as well to compete unless they are willing to accept the fact that without makeup they will be seen as less desirable and will not be able to attract as good a husband.
    I think if it is makeup that results in the attraction, you would draw a better husband without it (one with a more supernatural conception of love and beauty).


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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #113 on: January 25, 2019, 02:59:11 PM »
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  • Thus far, ten pages of distortion, exaggeration, and general rubbish from probably just two or three Puritan trolls who appear to be channeling the mind-set of Salem, Massachusetts, circa 1693.

    "Hey, Josiah! I hear you're taking Abigail Williams to the witch burning next Thursday. Wasn't that a great seven-hour sermon her father preached last Sunday on the evil of wearing insufficiently clean socks?"

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #114 on: January 25, 2019, 03:08:40 PM »
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  • Thus far, ten pages of distortion, exaggeration, and general rubbish from probably just two or three Puritan trolls who appear to be channeling the mind-set of Salem, Massachusetts, circa 1693.

    "Hey, Josiah! I hear you're taking Abigail Williams to the witch burning next Thursday. Wasn't that a great seven-hour sermon her father preached last Sunday on the evil of wearing insufficiently clean socks?"
    Sound like some sour grapes got your panties in a bunch?

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #115 on: January 25, 2019, 03:52:20 PM »
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  • I think if it is makeup that results in the attraction, you would draw a better husband without it (one with a more supernatural conception of love and beauty).

    You do realize, don't you?, that marriage involves BOTH the supernatural and the natural.  I could encounter the most beautiful soul in the world, but if I do not find the person to be both emotionally and physically attractive as well, it would limit the degree of intimacy we would be able to have.  And that closeness and intimacy strengthen the bonds, which then become more and more supernatural as time goes on.  That deeper, supernatural bond then continues on into old age (God willing) even as the couple's physical beauty fades.  This is how God designed us to teach us about things.  God USES natural beauty to lift our minds towards a contemplation of God's supernatural beauty as well.  We are not angels that can directly grasp this with our intellects alone.  We human beings have recursive thought processes that rise up from the natural to the supernatural.  You have a very gnostic/Manichaean view of the world, and it's a grave error.

    Conversely, physical unattractiveness can sometimes HIDE interior beauty ... at least at first sight.  If someone were to get to know someone, the inner beauty can emerge.  But it takes time to see that when the exterior is unattractive.  But sometimes no one will take the FIRST step on that path or progression to know a member of the opposite sex if something doesn't initially catch their eye or their interest.  So a woman might want to wear makeup to obviate that initial obstacle to eventually having a relationship.  This does not mean that the relationship will always remain shallow (as you imply), just that an impediment to its ever developing might be removed.

    So a man (or woman) might never go on that first date if they don't find the person outwardly attractive.  After that initial contact, even if there's outward attraction, and you don't find the person attractive on a deeper level, it will fizzle out (hopefully before the couple rush into marriage).  God even designed it that way; people's hormones surge upon first contact and then level out over time; that's been scientifically demonstrated.

    As Bishop Williamson was so fond of quoting, from St. Thomas Aquinas, grace perfects nature, and does not destroy it.  Graces builds ON TOP OF the natural and does not replace it or eliminate it.  Only those tainted with gnostic/Manichaean ideas think otherwise.


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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #116 on: January 25, 2019, 04:36:36 PM »
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  • I wish nobody would ever wear makeup but once it is allowed it becomes almost obligatory. It introduces massive fraud into the sɛҳuąƖ marketplace and when some women start wearing makeup all other women have to use it as well to compete unless they are willing to accept the fact that without makeup they will be seen as less desirable and will not be able to attract as good a husband.

    From my observation, it's mostly the plain women within the 6 and 7 categories who tend to abuse make - up. They feel the need to go to great lengths in order to attract a male. The use of heavy and extravagant make-up is a compensation for their lack of genuine beauty (and yes, I'm talking physical beauty). Because they're not repulsively ugly, they still hold some hope, so looking "sexy" or slutty is the only way of compiting against the truly beautiful women. They are able to draw some male attention; but obviously, it is not the kind of attention that a high - value, truly beautiful woman wants or expects.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #117 on: January 25, 2019, 04:36:57 PM »
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  • You do realize, don't you?, that marriage involves BOTH the supernatural and the natural.  
    Funny, I hear none of the former coming from the cosmetologists on this thread!

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #118 on: January 25, 2019, 04:42:00 PM »
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  • Funny, I hear none of the former coming from the cosmetologists on this thread!

    That's because it's not the point of contention here.  All Catholics acknowledge the supernatural aspects of marriage.

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    Re: Women Who Wear ANY Makeup Sin
    « Reply #119 on: January 25, 2019, 04:52:14 PM »
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  • That's because it's not the point of contention here.  All Catholics acknowledge the supernatural aspects of marriage.
    You mean they pay the supernatural aspect lip service.
    All I’ve heard from the makeup crowd is how men only want hotties, so the honeys are desperate to become hotties.