Author Topic: Women Wearing Pants (Read 6838 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** September 20, 2013, 10:24:59 AM »

Should women who wear pants to Mass, or who are known to wear pants outside of Mass, be denied Communion?

More generally, should people who dress slovenly or immodestly for Mass be denied Communion?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 20, 2013, 10:42:25 AM »

If possible, people who are dressed improperly for Mass should be spoken to by the priest, a deacon or some other person of authority before Mass.

If not, then those people (assuming they have confessed) might be permitted to receive, but they should be addressed in a meeting by the priest as soon as possible.

One of the biggest drawbacks to the defense of Tradition is that so many people are eager for the true Mass that they forget ALL the other really necessary things that go along with having a truly Catholic parish, things like spiritual formation, getting to know one's Father and vice versa.

Too often, people are disconnected from their parish priests except for confession and Mass.

Back to the original point: If, however, someone were truly SCANDALOUSLY dressed, and not just in the wrong thing (i.e. short-shorts as opposed to loose linen pants on a ladies' suit), then they should be denied at that Mass and not permitted to return until proper effort to instruct has been made and proper amendment of their attitude has been demonstrated.

We should ALL be careful, however, to distinguish between people in jeans or other common work/street clothing because they are POOR and those who routinely wear nothing else because it's "stylish".

At many thrift stores near me, there are FAR more jeans and t-shirts for sale than anything resembling decent, respectable clothing. Even the suits and pants that are there are often hopelessly outdated in style and would likely cause embarrassment to the wearer who would stand out as having no other choice.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** September 20, 2013, 10:50:02 AM »

No. They should not and cannot be denied Communion for wearing pants. I don't wear pants and do not allow my daughters to do so, but I cannot make a compelling argument that any sources I cite are binding. With lack of binding evidence that the wearing of pants is a mortal sin, one cannot be denied Holy Communion for this reason alone. It isn't like wearing pants makes one a public, notorious sinner. To say so would be putting an such women on par with politicians who openly support abortion, a public heretic, or a person openly living in an unlawful marriage.

Unless the dress is immodest, to the point of scandal, shock, or occasion of sin, no one can lawfully be denied Communion. One might argue that pants are immodest, but they are not expressly forbidden by lawful authority. They do cover the body and a re generally accepted as normal garb.

It is best to wear a skirt and certainly most pleasing to Our Lady. But consider the times we live in, an old lady or a woman raised in feminism who can get out of wearing pants, is the least of our worries. The extra graces might actually aid them.

If a priest wants to take care of this problem, he should repeatedly ask that those who approach the altar are dressed properly, outlining his expectations. It can be done in such a way that does not scandalize weak souls.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** September 20, 2013, 10:58:04 AM »

I got married in a Kilt and often wear it to a wedding.

Like any true Scotsman I never wear pants.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** September 20, 2013, 12:48:50 PM »

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No. They should not and cannot be denied Communion for wearing pants. I don't wear pants and do not allow my daughters to do so, but I cannot make a compelling argument that any sources I cite are binding. With lack of binding evidence that the wearing of pants is a mortal sin, one cannot be denied Holy Communion for this reason alone. It isn't like wearing pants makes one a public, notorious sinner. To say so would be putting an such women on par with politicians who openly support abortion, a public heretic, or a person openly living in an unlawful marriage.

Unless the dress is immodest, to the point of scandal, shock, or occasion of sin, no one can lawfully be denied Communion. One might argue that pants are immodest, but they are not expressly forbidden by lawful authority. They do cover the body and a re generally accepted as normal garb.

It is best to wear a skirt and certainly most pleasing to Our Lady. But consider the times we live in, an old lady or a woman raised in feminism who can get out of wearing pants, is the least of our worries. The extra graces might actually aid them.

If a priest wants to take care of this problem, he should repeatedly ask that those who approach the altar are dressed properly, outlining his expectations. It can be done in such a way that does not scandalize weak souls.

How about velvet overalls with a silk blouse?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2013, 01:24:36 PM »

I love wearing dresses for Mass, but some women aren't comfortable in dresses for various reasons; or wear what they can afford and cheap dresses can be worse than cheap pants. I really think our focus should be on the altar, and we should be happy people are there.

The parish men have a thing where if the rainbow coalition decides to visit, they'll be quickly escorted out. I'd assume these men would also have a chit-chat with the rebellious teen in short shorts, but really, unless someone's there to start trouble, eye on the altar and thankfulness that the pews have people in them.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2013, 01:50:08 PM »

No excuse for women not to wear a dress or skirt and blouse to Mass. Family dollar even sells nice black skirts. Same with Walmart. :smile:

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2013, 01:57:58 PM »

There are also online sites for modest dresses and skirts too.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2013, 02:37:09 PM »

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Should women who wear pants to Mass, or who are known to wear pants outside of Mass, be denied Communion?

More generally, should people who dress slovenly or immodestly for Mass be denied Communion?

I think women who wear pants to Mass should be denied communion. I don't know if women who wear pants outside of Church should be denied communion.

But I know, I think it is SSPX policy but I am not sure, but at my chapel they do give communion to women who are wearing pants, as much as I wish they wouldn't. They also give communion to women who don't cover their heads. I hope it isn't a sin for the priests sake.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** September 20, 2013, 02:42:01 PM »

The priest should do a short mention of modest dress before Mass.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2013, 02:51:21 PM »

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The priest should do a short mention of modest dress before Mass.

One time I took a NO friend to Mass with me. The priest gave a stern reprimand to the women about modest dress during the sermon and it scared her away permanantly I'm afraid.

To the average worldling, it looks like we're a bunch of rigid pharisees.

I'm not saying priests should lighten up on dress standards, just that the further left our society gets, the harder it is for individuals not to be completely shocked and turned off by the "rigidness" of dress standards for Mass. I'm sure my friend isn't the only one scared away by this.

My very own mother won't go to Mass with me because she has a tattoo and she's scared that everyone will scorn her.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2013, 03:02:44 PM »

In the past this sort of self consciousness about appearance worked to keep all the women dressing properly.

Now it's working to the opposite effect.

Upside down.. upside down.. One loses track of the ways everything is..

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2013, 03:04:46 PM »

Most women don't understand that if they tempt a man with their looks by dressing immodestly just one time they can be damned.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2013, 03:29:51 PM »

"You carry your snare everywhere and spread your nets in all places. You allege that you never invited others to sin. You did not, indeed, by your words, but you have done so by your dress and your deportment. ... When you have made another sin in his heart, how can you be innocent? Tell me, whom does this world condemn? Whom do judges punish? Those who drink poison or those who prepare it and administer the fatal potion? You have prepared the abominable cup, you have given the death dealing drink, and you are more criminal than are those who poison the body; you murder not the body but the soul. And it is not to enemies you do this, nor are you urged on by any imaginary necessity, nor provoked by injury, but out of foolish vanity and pride."

Saint Matthew (5:27-28) records the very words of Our Lord.

You have heard that it was said to the ancients, "Thou shalt not commit adultery." But I say to you that anyone who so much as looks with lust at a woman has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

-- Saint John Chrysostom

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Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2013, 03:33:27 PM »

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Most women don't understand that if they tempt a man with their looks by dressing immodestly just one time they can be damned.

If they don't understand what they are doing (morally speaking), then it is unlikely that that it was committed with full knowledge or with complete consent, and is therefore likely not a mortal sin capable of damnation.

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