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Re: wife has had no lasting friendships
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2020, 09:46:05 PM »
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  • But you did mention her coworkers - why do you not consider them as friends for her?
    They're not Catholic, and she hasn't known them for more than a few months.


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    « Reply #16 on: November 19, 2020, 09:49:00 PM »
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  • Better no friends at all, than the wrong kind of "friends".
    St. Francis de Sales would agree.
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    « Reply #17 on: November 19, 2020, 09:55:57 PM »
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  • My mom hardly had any friends besides her sisters, but her sisters were her best friends.
    She does have female cousins her age, but there's always been a lot of rivalry between them and her. Most of them have families and children of their own, and she feels left out. Perhaps it's simply her cross, and I have to accept I can't do much about alleviating it.

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    « Reply #18 on: November 19, 2020, 10:37:07 PM »
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    I've seen couples who literally worship each other. Because possessive carnal love is the basis of their relationship, their love doesn't diffuse outward toward others but is closed in on itself. Husband and wife should be best friends, but why should that exclude other friendships? 

    In our case, it is because we have moved so much over long distances, and far from our places of origin. It is hard to maintain friendships over distance. We are both very hospitable and have welcomed many people, both friends and strangers, into our home over the years.


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    Of course if you have children, your love can radiate out to them, but since my wife and I don't have children 
    I can understand that your wife would not feel comfortable when other women are chattering about children and all their joys and woes. Is there some cause or charitable work which might get her into some useful socialising, even better if it's one you can share?

    This should also help with social ineptness or fear of rejection. One does need practice in socialising.

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    (and she's not open to adoption, either), our love is frustrated. I see so much good in her that she could be sharing with others (friendship being the mutual sharing of goods), but her social ineptness of fear of rejection (if that's what it is) is getting in the way.
    I see it is a real caring concern you hold for her. I presume that you know about  Naprotechnology, which can help in problems of infertility or subfertility including women's and men's health issues interfering with conception.
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    Re: wife has had no lasting friendships
    « Reply #19 on: November 19, 2020, 11:57:32 PM »
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  • Why not encourage your wife to join CathInfo, so she may access the women’s section. We have some lovely encouraging conversations and discussions for women only. No compulsion to participate but she can read and may find others here who are in a similar situation. I know they are here.
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    Re: wife has had no lasting friendships
    « Reply #20 on: November 20, 2020, 11:35:12 AM »
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  • I didn't see if you mentioned that your wife is actually unhappy with this situation.  If she isn't unhappy about not having friends why should it be a concern?  I'm an introvert and haven't had a friend since the 90s.  Women are treacherous and don't make good friends anyway.  

    Is the issue more that she expects you to entertain her or stay away from your friends?  Perhaps the real issue is that she has no children to look after.  Perhaps she would be happier if adoption rather than friendships were pursued.  Motherhood is more satisfying that companionship anyway.

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    Re: wife has had no lasting friendships
    « Reply #21 on: November 20, 2020, 11:38:44 AM »
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  • I didn't see if you mentioned that your wife is actually unhappy with this situation.  If she isn't unhappy about not having friends why should it be a concern?  I'm an introvert and haven't had a friend since the 90s.  Women are treacherous and don't make good friends anyway.  

    Is the issue more that she expects you to entertain her or stay away from your friends?  Perhaps the real issue is that she has no children to look after.  Perhaps she would be happier if adoption rather than friendships were pursued.  Motherhood is more satisfying that companionship anyway.
    Very good advice. Though you forgot to post your name.
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    Re: wife has had no lasting friendships
    « Reply #22 on: November 20, 2020, 11:52:01 AM »
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  • First, I can say for certain that my wife's only real friend is me.  She has many acquaintences but none that she really considers close friends.

    Second, even among her passing friends, few are really her age.  Some are older, some are younger, a couple may be close to her age.  I don't understand why on earth the ages of friends matter in the least.

    The description of your marriage seems to indicate that you have a healthy and strong marriage.  I don't see a problem and it appears that she doesn't either.


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    « Reply #23 on: November 20, 2020, 12:02:28 PM »
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  • She probably has a 'melancholic' temperament.  You may be 'Sanguine'.   Good balance if each knows his/her strengths and weaknesses.
    This.
    Some people feel suffocated unless they can go out and be among people and crowds. Some are the exact opposite.
    This is one of those ways that opposites DO attract.
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    « Reply #24 on: November 20, 2020, 12:06:40 PM »
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  • First, I can say for certain that my wife's only real friend is me.
    The same for us. (I'm the OP.)

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    « Reply #25 on: November 20, 2020, 12:19:38 PM »
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  • It's the opposite in the case of myself and my wife.  She feels the need to have friends, but I do not.  I wouldn't say that I'm anti-social ... just asocial.  And I am perfectly content being the way I am.  Some people might say that there's something wrong with me, and perhaps there is, but it doesn't really bother me.  I think that I've just developed this perspective over the years that God has everything I need in this regard, and that human beings merely disappoint me by comparison.  Now, I do have a great deal empathy and care about people, and I like to help people, but I just feel no need to socialize and to be friends with anyone in particular.  I rate "melancholic" on just about every temperament test I've ever taken.


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    « Reply #26 on: November 20, 2020, 12:55:34 PM »
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  • There is one thing much sadder than having no friends.

    Being so desperate for friends, that you make *close* friends with one or more pagans or other far-from-Trad-Catholics, who you really ought to have nothing serious in common with.
    That can't be good for you or your Faith.

    It's very similar to marrying outside the Faith. You will TEND TO downplay the Faith, since it's a point of division between you, and you know it deep down. The fruits of such friendships is always a weakening or even a partial loss of Faith. And in the case of mixed marriages, the children are almost always irreligious. They instinctively avoid religion, since it was a source of division in their household. Consciously or not, both parents and children downplayed religion for the sake of greater harmony and unity in the family. Sad.
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    Re: wife has had no lasting friendships
    « Reply #27 on: November 20, 2020, 01:01:50 PM »
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  • My wife and I are both melancholic, and therefore introverts. We don't thrive on external socialization. We get enough excitement from our home life, with all our kids. Maybe it will be harder if we ever end up with a real empty nest. But then again, perhaps "empty nest" is a Baby Boomer and later phenomenon -- something that happens more often when you have less than 5 children? When you have a really large family, wouldn't some of the kids stick around in the local area, have kids of their own, etc.?

    Anyhow, we've both tried many times to make friends, and for periods of time we succeeded. But something always intervenes to take them away. Either the family moves to St. Mary's, KS or another SSPX "mecca", SSPX/Resistance politics causes separation, or fallen human nature (and/or the devil) inspires the father of the family to run off with money he owes us, so our 2 families never see each other again, through no actions, choice, or fault of their own.

    And there are countless "would-be" friendships that never got a chance to start, because family A is in this location, while family B is in another far-away location. Or family A is in a sedevacantist milieu, while other other family is SSPX or Resistance. So there's no contact or socialization between the two, even though those two families would really hit it off in 99% of categories. The fathers and mothers in the 2 families might share some specific interests and hobbies, and the majority of the children might be into the same things: sports, music,  art, history, literature, Lord of the Rings -- you get the idea.

    I know several families that we would love to spend time with, but they live between 4 and 12 hours away. Trad Catholics are so spread out, especially the fervent, serious ones. The ones who have rejected the world -- which is important.
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    « Reply #28 on: November 20, 2020, 01:10:01 PM »
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  • That's why I HATE dogmatic home-aloneism, by the way.  It causes Catholics to isolate themselves from all other Catholics, and for no good reason. At least Sede vs. R&R vs. Indult have something to offer their prospective converts: a Catholic life at one of THEIR chapels. That includes Mass, sacraments, and Catholic socialization. I might disagree with Sedes, the SSPX, or Indult -- but they are practicing Catholics. They PRACTICE the Catholic Faith as a habit of life. They are in a different (inferior) lifeboat than me, but at least they're in a lifeboat.

    Home-aloners encourage Catholics to jump into the deep blue sea.

    When a home-aloner makes a "convert", that convert loses whatever Catholic contact(s) he had, as well as any Mass and sacraments he had access to. And the home-aloner "apostle" offers him nothing in exchange, aside from sitting at home with a missal on Sunday. Truly diabolical.
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    Re: wife has had no lasting friendships
    « Reply #29 on: November 20, 2020, 01:47:53 PM »
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  • I think that I've just developed this perspective over the years that God has everything I need in this regard, and that human beings merely disappoint me by comparison.
    This is true for me, too. Friends are temporal goods. Only God can truly fulfill.
    But our charity cannot be limited to God alone:
    "he that loveth not his brother whom he seeth, how can he love God whom he seeth not?" (1 John 4:20)
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