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Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2022, 12:41:37 PM »
Okay, fine. You are not aware, then, that quite a few sedevacantists believe that a Pope cannot fall into heresy?
Yeah I'm aware. Considering the last 6 decades, pretty silly imo, but for whatever reason that type of thing matters an awful lot to them.

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Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2022, 02:14:47 PM »
I'm saying it is enough to know he's a heretic, that is all the reason we need to not listen to him. If you like to take it beyond that and insist he is not the pope as if that is something you need to concern yourself with, knock yourself out.
Yes, I need to concern myself with the solution to the crisis. It is imperative to maintain the teachings on indefectibility and authority.

Once a real Pope is elected we will most definitely see the progressives utilizing the R&R principles to resist the new heretic Pope who is going against the last 60 years of Church "tradition".
Yeah I'm aware. Considering the last 6 decades, pretty silly imo, but for whatever reason that type of thing matters an awful lot to them.
Yes, Church teaching matters a lot to me. I would like to know very much if I am obliged to follow the Church's universal teaching or just the parts I determine is in accord with the ancient Church, just like the Old Catholics.

R&R's who don't care what the Pope teaches are Old Catholics, change my mind.  :P


Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2022, 02:15:04 PM »
Yes, I need to concern myself with the solution to the crisis. It is imperative to maintain the teachings on indefectibility and authority.

Once a real Pope is elected we will most definitely see the progressives utilizing the R&R principles to resist the new heretic Pope who is going against the last 60 years of Church "tradition".Yes, Church teaching matters a lot to me. I would like to know very much if I am obliged to follow the Church's universal teaching or just the parts I determine is in accord with the ancient Church, just like the Old Catholics.

R&R's who don't care what the Pope teaches are Old Catholics, change my mind.  :P
Me.

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Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2022, 02:23:03 PM »
Me.

So far, you haven't said anything about the heresy of Modernism. Is Modernism a factor for you at all? Because those of us who subscribe to +ABL's view of the Crisis tend to see the Crisis in terms of Modernism occupying the Church, and all of the problems inherent in that. 

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Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2022, 02:31:43 PM »
Yes, I need to concern myself with the solution to the crisis. It is imperative to maintain the teachings on indefectibility and authority.
And you maintain the teachings on indefectibility and authority by judging the office of the pope? Pretty silly.

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Once a real Pope is elected we will most definitely see the progressives utilizing the R&R principles to resist the new heretic Pope who is going against the last 60 years of Church "tradition".
The sedevacantists will never, not ever have a new pope. That's the one thing that is absolutely certain about sedevacantism, it's permanent.

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Yes, Church teaching matters a lot to me. I would like to know very much if I am obliged to follow the Church's universal teaching or just the parts I determine is in accord with the ancient Church, just like the Old Catholics.

R&R's who don't care what the Pope teaches are Old Catholics, change my mind.  :P
The universal teaching of the Church we are obliged to follow, as defined by The First Vatican Council:

"Wherefore, by divine and Catholic faith, all those things are to be believed which are contained in the word of God as found in Scripture and tradition, and which are proposed by the Church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed, whether by her solemn judgment or in her ordinary and universal magisterium."

R&R don't care what the pope teaches when it's heresy. OTOH, if he ever teaches anything Catholic, R&R depend on the sedevacantists to broadcast it all over the place. If he ever binds us to anything that we can be bound to without offending God, we will obey.