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Author Topic: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable  (Read 30511 times)

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Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2022, 03:04:22 PM »
R&R don't care what the pope teaches when it's heresy. OTOH, if he ever teaches anything Catholic, R&R depend on the sedevacantists to broadcast it all over the place. If he ever binds us to anything that we can be bound to without offending God, we will obey.

Please describe what R&R is exactly, in your opinion. 

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Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2022, 03:16:11 PM »
R&R don't care what the pope teaches when it's heresy. OTOH, if he ever teaches anything Catholic, R&R depend on the sedevacantists to broadcast it all over the place. If he ever binds us to anything that we can be bound to without offending God, we will obey.

Can you please provide an example of something Catholic that the Pope has taught in which sedevacantists felt bound to obey? I've never heard of such a thing. 


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Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2022, 04:20:02 PM »
Please describe what R&R is exactly, in your opinion.
R&R strive to keep and grow in the faith no matter who is a heretic according to the words of St. Paul: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

According to St. Paul, because the pope preaches another Gospel, we let him be anathema and go on living the Catholic faith. Whether or not he loses his office on that account has nothing whatsoever to do with us.

Can you please provide an example of something Catholic that the Pope has taught in which sedevacantists felt bound to obey? I've never heard of such a thing.
Where did you read that? I said: "if he ever teaches anything Catholic" the sedevacantists will let everyone know because it seems that they never stop watching everything he does so he can be criticized and slandered, whereas R&R rarely pay any attention to his heresies anymore, so we depend on those who watch him closely, namely the sedevacantists, to let us know in case he ever does anything good. 

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Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2022, 04:31:48 PM »
R&R strive to keep and grow in the faith no matter who is a heretic according to the words of St. Paul: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

According to St. Paul, because the pope preaches another Gospel, we let him be anathema and go on living the Catholic faith. Whether or not he loses his office on that account has nothing whatsoever to do with us.
Where did you read that? I said: "if he ever teaches anything Catholic" the sedevacantists will let everyone know because it seems that they never stop watching everything he does so he can be criticized and slandered, whereas R&R rarely pay any attention to his heresies anymore, so we depend on those who watch him closely, namely the sedevacantists, to let us know in case he ever does anything good.

Thank you for your response. 

We can't do anything about the heresies coming from Rome. We can strive to maintain our faith as best we can. I don't think it's true that we don't pay attention to the heresies of the Pope. How long have you been on this forum? The SSPX may not pay much attention, but that doesn't mean that regular trads aren't paying attention. And some of the SSPX clergy do pay attention. 

How can you say that sedevacantists will let us know if Francis does anything good? That doesn't make sense. Perhaps English isn't your first language. 

Historically speaking, Catholics weren't required to pay attention to what the Pope said or did. It's the office of the local Catholic bishops who required to teach the faithful. I understand that's things are different now, but you would seem to have us believe that it's our job (laymen) to change the Pope and the Church. Well, it is not our job. We are to save our souls first and foremost. If you want to spend most of your valuable time pointing out the heresies of the Pope, go right ahead. It won't save your soul. That's your choice. 


Re: Why the Neo-SSPX position on the Crisis is untenable
« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2022, 04:50:59 PM »
Once a real Pope is elected we will most definitely see the progressives utilizing the R&R principles to resist the new heretic Pope who is going against the last 60 years of Church "tradition".
This is definitely something I think we will see if, and when, a restoration occurs under a true Pope. And I honestly think this R&R mindset will still occur among traditionalists themselves, for a time.