Author Topic: Why is being pro-Hitler bad? (Read 2299 times)

Maizar · « **on:** April 02, 2012, 06:16:14 PM »

1) same reason as 2)

But also 1) attracts the attention of legal authorities.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2012, 06:18:59 PM »

Plus Hitler was an evil man. Not the only soul in Hell or anything like that -- but a considerably evil man nevertheless.

He was no friend of Catholics. I shake my head when I hear so-called Catholics knee-jerk against multiculturalism, liberalism, Jєωιѕн conspiracy, etc. to the point that they support such a horrible man.

I believe Hitler was pro-fornication if it resulted in "fair-skinned German babies". To that end, I believe he actually had several "centers" where German men and women were brought in for this purpose.

If anyone could elaborate, I'd appreciate it. (Gladius?)

Maizar · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2012, 06:30:35 PM »

Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Churchill, Pol Pot, Tito, Bush, Eisenhower, Trotsky, Lenin, Franco, Mussolini, Sharon, Shamir, Ben-Gurion, Begin, Li Ping, and others.

What do they all have in common? They are/were all genocidal maniacs. That might be why we don't particularly like any of them.

alaric · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2012, 06:40:31 PM »

Hitler vehemently opposed abortion, the nαzι's outlawed abortion in 1933 the first year they seized power. Under Hitler, choosing abortion became sabotage; a crime punishable by hard labor for the woman and a possible death penalty for the abortionist.

We always here the comparison of the the abortionists to the "nαzιs" and Hitler by Evangelicals and conservative Catholics alike, while neither of these two groups has been able to stop the hundreds of millions infanticide h0Ɩ0cαųst that goes on in their own countries today.

I think if Hitler is burning in Hades he has plenty of company.

Something to think about.

Caraffa · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:02:17 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

He was no friend of Catholics. I shake my head when I hear so-called Catholics knee-jerk against multiculturalism, liberalism, Jєωιѕн conspiracy, etc. to the point that they support such a horrible man.

Bishop Williamson, 2008 Ignis Interview: "...the Devil pushes traditionalist Catholics when he sees he can no longer push them into Liberalism. He topples them over in the opposite direction!

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #5 on:** April 03, 2012, 01:40:57 AM »

And this is *exactly* the sort of thing I was concerned about.

Hitler was an occultist, and whatever you think of the number of people he killed, he definitely killed (or ordered it).

He was Godless, practiced the occult, was no friend of Catholicism, and a degenerate morally himself.

One need not drink great draughts of the mainstream koolaid to see this.

You need not adopt everything you were taught in school as gospel, but surely you can defend a more meritorious cause than Hitler.

clare · « **Reply #6 on:** April 03, 2012, 06:58:45 AM »

Quote from: alaric

Hitler vehemently opposed abortion, the nαzι's outlawed abortion in 1933 the first year they seized power. Under Hitler, choosing abortion became sabotage; a crime punishable by hard labor for the woman and a possible death penalty for the abortionist.

Didn't he only oppose the abortion of Aryan babies?

Whatever, he was hardly pro-life!

clare · « **Reply #7 on:** April 03, 2012, 07:07:16 AM »

Quote from: Guest

Quote from: Matthew
I believe Hitler was pro-fornication if it resulted in "fair-skinned German babies". To that end, I believe he actually had several "centers" where German men and women were brought in for this purpose.

If anyone could elaborate, I'd appreciate it. (Gladius?)

That fornication story is completely untrue. I think you are confusing it with what happened at Auschwitz.

Bl. Cardinal von Galen:

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The sixth commandment: “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” Think of the instructions and assurances on free sɛҳuąƖ intercourse and unmarried motherhood in the notorious Open Letter by Rudolf Hess, who has disappeared since, which was published in all the newspapers. And how much shameless and disreputable conduct of this kind do we read about and observe and experience in our city of Münster! To what shamelessness in dress have our young people been forced to get accustomed to — the preparation for future adultery! For modesty, the bulwark of chastity, is about to be destroyed.

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But even if the story is true, how was Hitler any eviler than the modern politicians who support abortion, contraception, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, Feminism, and Zionism? (All things which Hitler was against, by the way). Why is it ok to support Freemasonic politicians who support all those things, but not ok to support Hitler?

And why is it ok to oppose all those, and defend Hitler?

It is neither/nor. Only, in the case of Hitler, we at least ought to have the benefit of hindsight by now.

alaric · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:06:17 AM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: alaric
Hitler vehemently opposed abortion, the nαzι's outlawed abortion in 1933 the first year they seized power. Under Hitler, choosing abortion became sabotage; a crime punishable by hard labor for the woman and a possible death penalty for the abortionist.

Didn't he only oppose the abortion of Aryan babies?

Whatever, he was hardly pro-life!

I'm not sure, maybe he was more concerned about German mothers or whatnot. The whole "Aryan" thing is very subjective and not really relevant their idea of "acceptable" infanticide.

NS Germany had their own ideas about about ending pregnancies or contraception usually to protect mentally ill or psychologically unfit women capable of procreation.

Unlike here where we don't discriminate and eliminate "fetuses" on a whim from the point of conception until hrs before the delivery.

We can have a whole discussion on another thread about nαzι policy towards abortion and contraception as opposed to the American one, especially in this day and age. I don't think you want to go there, for what this nation has descended into with abortion used as "birth control" and late term infanticide or it's feminists attitudes on women's "reproductive rights", I don't think we here in the "christian" West have the right to preach to any other civilization about being "pro-life".

While the NS might have been more interested in the propagation of reproducing more "Aryan" babies and all the glories and accolades of German motherhood and femininity the schizophrenic American version is becoming one of disease and destruction of the family as well as the poster child for what one pontiff has described as the Culture of Death.

clare · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:21:38 AM »

Quote from: alaric

We can have a whole discussion on another thread about nαzι policy towards abortion and contraception as opposed to the American one, especially in this day and age. I don't think you want to go there, for what this nation has descended into with abortion used as "birth control" and late term infanticide or it's feminists attitudes on women's "reproductive rights", I don't think we here in the "christian" West have the right to preach to any other civilization about being "pro-life".

Catholics do have a right to preach to our own and other civilisations. I am not denouncing nαzιsm from the point of view of the supposedly civilised west, but from the point of view of a pro-life Catholic. And I denounce the supposedly civilised west too. Just because we live here doesn't disqualify us from criticising!

Now, if we were actually supportive of this so called civilisation, then that would be different.

On the other hand, I don't think defenders of Hitler have the right to preach to our "civilisation".

Like I said, it's neither/nor.

alaric · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:28:24 AM »

Guest said:
"But even if the story is true, how was Hitler any eviler than the modern politicians who support abortion, contraception, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, Feminism, and Zionism? (All things which Hitler was against, by the way). Why is it ok to support Freemasonic politicians who support all those things, but not ok to support Hitler?"

Clare;

"And why is it ok to oppose all those, and defend Hitler?"

"It is neither/nor. Only, in the case of Hitler, we at least ought to have the benefit of hindsight by now. "

Well, personally, I won't "defend" anyone that is in error or at least won't agree with everything they did in principle.

But what "hindsight" do you really have? What version of history are we continuously exposed to? The ADL approved Jєωιѕн one? As we all know the victors write the history books. History is always slanted in one form or another, do you really believe that the Muslims teach the same version of the Crusades in their schools as the Western Christian one (Well even that is changing these days)?

And how much destruction has abortion, contraception, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, Feminism, and Zionism wrought upon our culture to the point where we still don't have any "hindsight" to know just what NS Germany knew of the danger and destruction of the Jєωιѕн influence would eventually bring down upon a people.

The point here is not whether or not we fully "support" Hitler and NS, the point is, is what they declared was in cohesion with reality or in line with the truth.

The truth is transcendent and it doesn't really matter where it comes from, the Bible or Mein Kampf, truth is always the same regardless of the source. The only difference is if it is accepted and the proper reaction to it.

alaric · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:39:04 AM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: alaric
We can have a whole discussion on another thread about nαzι policy towards abortion and contraception as opposed to the American one, especially in this day and age. I don't think you want to go there, for what this nation has descended into with abortion used as "birth control" and late term infanticide or it's feminists attitudes on women's "reproductive rights", I don't think we here in the "christian" West have the right to preach to any other civilization about being "pro-life".

Catholics do have a right to preach to our own and other civilisations. I am not denouncing nαzιsm from the point of view of the supposedly civilised west, but from the point of view of a pro-life Catholic. And I denounce the supposedly civilised west too. Just because we live here doesn't disqualify us from criticising!

Now, if we were actually supportive of this so called civilisation, then that would be different.

On the other hand, I don't think defenders of Hitler have the right to preach to our "civilisation".

Like I said, it's neither/nor.

Au Contraire, they have every right when the pot calls the kettle black.

And that includes not just "nαzιs" but Nationalists, Muslims,Buddhists, etc. Hell even atheists, I know some atheists that are pretty damn moral compared to a vast majority of "christians" I interact with. As a matter of fact, many of them are downright despicable ( christians) who seem to feel to have a right to be totally unaccountable for their actions because they believe in the "Lawd" and someday will be forgiven and granted a "get out of hell" card for free in the end.

One thing seems to be the same with all these type, things like logic and reason and accountability are like kryptonite to these people.

Anyway, our "civilization" really doesn't hold the moral high ground to anyone these days.

clare · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:39:11 AM »

Quote from: alaric

But what "hindsight" do you really have? What version of history are we continuously exposed to? The ADL approved Jєωιѕн one? As we all know the victors write the history books.

I'm thinking of Bl. Card. von Galen, Bl. Franz Jagerstatter, St Maximilian Kolbe, Engelbert Dollfuss, Mit Brennender Sorge.

clare · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:43:10 AM »

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: clare
On the other hand, I don't think defenders of Hitler have the right to preach to our "civilisation".

Like I said, it's neither/nor.
Au Contraire, they have every right when the pot calls the kettle black.

Not every critic of the kettle is a supporter of the pot.

clare · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:45:02 AM »

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If this is all justified then you have to admit killing people can be justified. So what people did Hitler kill or order to be killed? And for what reason? Killing dangerous people, criminals, spies, traitors, and degenerates is justified.

What about handicapped people? Is that justified?

Or did that not actually happen? Or maybe it did, but Mr H knew nothing about it and would have stopped it?