Author Topic: Why is being pro-Hitler bad? (Read 11883 times)

alaric · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:28:24 AM »

Guest said:
"But even if the story is true, how was Hitler any eviler than the modern politicians who support abortion, contraception, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, Feminism, and Zionism? (All things which Hitler was against, by the way). Why is it ok to support Freemasonic politicians who support all those things, but not ok to support Hitler?"

Clare;

"And why is it ok to oppose all those, and defend Hitler?"

"It is neither/nor. Only, in the case of Hitler, we at least ought to have the benefit of hindsight by now. "

Well, personally, I won't "defend" anyone that is in error or at least won't agree with everything they did in principle.

But what "hindsight" do you really have? What version of history are we continuously exposed to? The ADL approved Jєωιѕн one? As we all know the victors write the history books. History is always slanted in one form or another, do you really believe that the Muslims teach the same version of the Crusades in their schools as the Western Christian one (Well even that is changing these days)?

And how much destruction has abortion, contraception, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, Feminism, and Zionism wrought upon our culture to the point where we still don't have any "hindsight" to know just what NS Germany knew of the danger and destruction of the Jєωιѕн influence would eventually bring down upon a people.

The point here is not whether or not we fully "support" Hitler and NS, the point is, is what they declared was in cohesion with reality or in line with the truth.

The truth is transcendent and it doesn't really matter where it comes from, the Bible or Mein Kampf, truth is always the same regardless of the source. The only difference is if it is accepted and the proper reaction to it.

alaric · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:39:04 AM »

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We can have a whole discussion on another thread about nαzι policy towards abortion and contraception as opposed to the American one, especially in this day and age. I don't think you want to go there, for what this nation has descended into with abortion used as "birth control" and late term infanticide or it's feminists attitudes on women's "reproductive rights", I don't think we here in the "christian" West have the right to preach to any other civilization about being "pro-life".

Catholics do have a right to preach to our own and other civilisations. I am not denouncing nαzιsm from the point of view of the supposedly civilised west, but from the point of view of a pro-life Catholic. And I denounce the supposedly civilised west too. Just because we live here doesn't disqualify us from criticising!

Now, if we were actually supportive of this so called civilisation, then that would be different.

On the other hand, I don't think defenders of Hitler have the right to preach to our "civilisation".

Like I said, it's neither/nor.

Au Contraire, they have every right when the pot calls the kettle black.

And that includes not just "nαzιs" but Nationalists, Muslims,Buddhists, etc. Hell even atheists, I know some atheists that are pretty damn moral compared to a vast majority of "christians" I interact with. As a matter of fact, many of them are downright despicable ( christians) who seem to feel to have a right to be totally unaccountable for their actions because they believe in the "Lawd" and someday will be forgiven and granted a "get out of hell" card for free in the end.

One thing seems to be the same with all these type, things like logic and reason and accountability are like kryptonite to these people.

Anyway, our "civilization" really doesn't hold the moral high ground to anyone these days.

clare · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:39:11 AM »

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But what "hindsight" do you really have? What version of history are we continuously exposed to? The ADL approved Jєωιѕн one? As we all know the victors write the history books.

I'm thinking of Bl. Card. von Galen, Bl. Franz Jagerstatter, St Maximilian Kolbe, Engelbert Dollfuss, Mit Brennender Sorge.

clare · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:43:10 AM »

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On the other hand, I don't think defenders of Hitler have the right to preach to our "civilisation".

Like I said, it's neither/nor.
Au Contraire, they have every right when the pot calls the kettle black.

Not every critic of the kettle is a supporter of the pot.

clare · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:45:02 AM »

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If this is all justified then you have to admit killing people can be justified. So what people did Hitler kill or order to be killed? And for what reason? Killing dangerous people, criminals, spies, traitors, and degenerates is justified.

What about handicapped people? Is that justified?

Or did that not actually happen? Or maybe it did, but Mr H knew nothing about it and would have stopped it?