Author Topic: Why are some Republicans against new Healthcare bill? (Read 1369 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** March 08, 2017, 01:50:54 PM »

Why are some Republicans against new Healthcare bill?

Thoughts on the new American Healthcare bill:

If the Republicans repeal and don’t worry at this time about a replacement, I guess those who got into O-care (meaning Medicaid) would be allowed to keep it? But no one else could ever get it? Who knows?

This is one of the things I am confused about concerning the new healthcare bill.

If we only repeal, things would go back to the way they were. Some say that would be good, some say not. It would be good b/c: no more Obamacare! I always did think Repeal should come first… just get it OUTA here!

I tend to trust Cruz and Co. over anyone else in Congress (and they are against the new bill)… Cruz is not one to go along to get along… like most of them

If people were to not have insurance (as it was b4 O/care), maybe Congress should explore better ways for them to pay their bill. Maybe the doctor could more easily garnish something like $20 a month from a person’s paycheck… ? I don’t know… I don’t exactly like the sounds of that, but, if it were only some limited amount like that, and then there could be some incentive to pay it off sooner. I don't know..

I mean, if someone goes to the emergency room w/o insurance, that person could be stuck with a big bill and it may not be easy to pay, so I can u/stand those who say hlth ins. should be mandatory. And yet I hate the word mandatory.

I know of a hosp where a person w/o insurance can get a checkup for only $100.00. If a person only paid that kind of fee, say, every 2 – 3 yrs or so, that would be a lot cheaper than paying for an insurance plan, with its (at this time high) monthly rate. I myself would prefer to do things that way. If you don’t have insurance and you find out you have cancer… different story, I guess

The new bill (I believe) addresses tort reform, aka malpractice suits, hopefully frivolous or otherwise. I think people are too quick to sue and it should be made harder to do so.. Doctors are human—Surprise, surprise! If INTENT (to harm) cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, I say: forget a lawsuit, unless the harm is just so outrageous that any dr. should have known what would happen

Nancy Peℓσѕι says the new plan “transfers wealth” to the wealthiest people. WHAT? Where does that loony-tunes get THAT? Geez, give me a freaking break

You see how these liberals just make stuff up? They can’t go 5 minutes without a lie or truth-distortion coming our of their mouths…

Q: How can you tell when a liberal is lying? Answer: Her lips are moving…

But wait! Why is ANYONE—any sane person, that is—listening to Peℓσѕι, Ms “We have to pass it to know what’s in it” ? She has lost ALL credibility

Um, yeh, forget you, Ms Loony-tunes…can't say it enough: you destroyed all credibility.

Anyway… AARP, which supported Obamacare (morons!) is complaining that people 50-64 yrs old will be left out somehow. Again, I do not get this… again, just making things up.

The truth does not work for liberals. Truth scares them. They see truth and immediately start running in the opposite direction, hair on fire, screaming: NO, NO! --- in the hopes it will quickly flee…

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2017, 07:35:21 PM »

I tend to trust Tom Cotten and Ted Cruz and Co.

Cruz had lunch w/ Trump. But i haven't heard how that went. All i know is that there is something that doesn't click in my head about all this... I mean, Ryan's presentation made sense and all, but

why is he talking of 3 prongs to dismantling Ocare, and then we have the Cruz/Lee (etc) faction telling us it is Obamacare LIte.. and how the word "amend" is in the new bill!!!

I will stay confused until I hear what Ted Cruz and the others have to say..

I am wary when thye are not planning 2 vote for it..

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2017, 08:57:14 PM »

Many are RINOS.

Republicans in name only.

This is why radical Democratic agendas get passed in Congress including the approvals of nominations of radical leftists to high government offices.

The Rinos are working with the Democrats to sabotage President Trump's
agenda.

Rinos are constantly praised and promoted by the mainstream media,
and are part of the ruling oligarchs.

Many Republican voters that elected these Rinos are ignorant of
these elected officials and have been deceived that these elected
officials are conservatives through false propaganda.

There is lots of money funneled to these campaigns and some
voter fraud that keeps then in power.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2017, 12:22:22 PM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

Many are RINOS.

Republicans in name only.

This is why radical Democratic agendas get passed in Congress including the approvals of nominations of radical leftists to high government offices.

The Rinos are working with the Democrats to sabotage President Trump's
agenda.

Rinos are constantly praised and promoted by the mainstream media,
and are part of the ruling oligarchs.

Many Republican voters that elected these Rinos are ignorant of
these elected officials and have been deceived that these elected
officials are conservatives through false propaganda.

There is lots of money funneled to these campaigns and some
voter fraud that keeps then in power.

I know. If you didn't read the following, here it is [esp pay attn to the part where Ryan says we have no choice]:

Dana Loesch for president! OK, a little premature to be saying that.. but part of me says she would be an impressive first-female president. She looks like a saint (canonizable) compared to the last female who aspired to that lofty goal (big “ouch,” just thinking about that all-too-recent horror show).

So anyway:
Finally—someone speaks exactly what I have been thinking.. (addresses what I have been wondering about, etc) re this new healthcare bill.

I trust Dana L. b/c for one thing, she is a true conservative.. hey, just like Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan, Rand Paul and Mark Meadows (NC)!

who are (along w/ Marco Rubio and others) against the “new” healthcare plan,

which really does appear to be “Obamacare Lite”

Some Republicans in Congress are trying to shove this down our throats, saying such disingenuous things as (paraphrase) “It is this or Obamacare, those are the only 2 options.”

Gee... that sounds familiar, doesn't it? (limited options)

Why don't they just get rid of Obamacare outright, or as Trump suggested, let it fail on it's own, which I say has already happened.. then go from there, something I have been advocating (despite confusion about a few things) for a long time?

The tax credits in this plan go to the insurance companies! Oh right, we really need to give insurance companies more money and power, don't we? I don't have a problem with them earning a profit, even a considerable profit, but good grief...

I smell: lobbyists.. special interests... politicians...

I smell swamp

As Dana Loesch said, we the People are being “given the middle finger”!

I was right all along to trust Ted Cruz & Co, even while not always fully understanding (all that I now understand). Of course only God understands all, but I feel I have studied this issue more than most “everyday Americans”

I still wonder why it is that the new healthcare bill is filibuster-proof as is, yet if they were to add the across-state-lines aspect, that could be filibustered? Why is that? I feel we are not being told all the details. Frankly, I feel we are being lied to again, but I cannot prove it..

In any case, I do know one thing, after listening to Paul Ryan “explain” the new bill (explain what he wanted to explain, that is):

My first reaction was that he was (came across as) disingenuous at the end of the presentation, when he essentially said that we have no other options.

That was a serious red flag 2 me.. and presumably, I speak for many others.

As Tom Cotton said (paraphrase) Let's take the time to do it right

I thought “few options” was an Obamacare thing.. a Democrat thing, a liberal thing.. an un-American thing?

I say limited options is usually a scary thing

Get outa here with that

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2017, 01:14:31 PM »

When Cruz and the others approve a bill

I will also

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2017, 07:47:01 PM »

amazing how few people are interested in this topic

and we wonder why Washington DC keeps going further and further in the wrong direction?

well, i have to say one thing: there are people in DC who really do deserve the high pay t hey get...

too bad about 2/3 probably don't?

sigh

who knows.. only God and He aint tellin'

anyway.. disturbing that more people do not care about such things as govt expansion and stealing from the taxpayers and the Dems seeking to control... well, everyone

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2017, 12:02:25 AM »

Quote from: Guest

Why are some Republicans against new Healthcare bill?

Thoughts on the new American Healthcare bill:

If the Republicans repeal and don’t worry at this time about a replacement, I guess those who got into O-care (meaning Medicaid) would be allowed to keep it? But no one else could ever get it? Who knows?

This is one of the things I am confused about concerning the new healthcare bill.

If we only repeal, things would go back to the way they were. Some say that would be good, some say not. It would be good b/c: no more Obamacare! I always did think Repeal should come first… just get it OUTA here!

I tend to trust Cruz and Co. over anyone else in Congress (and they are against the new bill)… Cruz is not one to go along to get along… like most of them

If people were to not have insurance (as it was b4 O/care), maybe Congress should explore better ways for them to pay their bill. Maybe the doctor could more easily garnish something like $20 a month from a person’s paycheck… ? I don’t know… I don’t exactly like the sounds of that, but, if it were only some limited amount like that, and then there could be some incentive to pay it off sooner. I don't know..

I mean, if someone goes to the emergency room w/o insurance, that person could be stuck with a big bill and it may not be easy to pay, so I can u/stand those who say hlth ins. should be mandatory. And yet I hate the word mandatory.

I know of a hosp where a person w/o insurance can get a checkup for only $100.00. If a person only paid that kind of fee, say, every 2 – 3 yrs or so, that would be a lot cheaper than paying for an insurance plan, with its (at this time high) monthly rate. I myself would prefer to do things that way. If you don’t have insurance and you find out you have cancer… different story, I guess

The new bill (I believe) addresses tort reform, aka malpractice suits, hopefully frivolous or otherwise. I think people are too quick to sue and it should be made harder to do so.. Doctors are human—Surprise, surprise! If INTENT (to harm) cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, I say: forget a lawsuit, unless the harm is just so outrageous that any dr. should have known what would happen

Nancy Peℓσѕι says the new plan “transfers wealth” to the wealthiest people. WHAT? Where does that loony-tunes get THAT? Geez, give me a freaking break

You see how these liberals just make stuff up? They can’t go 5 minutes without a lie or truth-distortion coming our of their mouths…

Q: How can you tell when a liberal is lying? Answer: Her lips are moving…

But wait! Why is ANYONE—any sane person, that is—listening to Peℓσѕι, Ms “We have to pass it to know what’s in it” ? She has lost ALL credibility

Um, yeh, forget you, Ms Loony-tunes…can't say it enough: you destroyed all credibility.

Anyway… AARP, which supported Obamacare (morons!) is complaining that people 50-64 yrs old will be left out somehow. Again, I do not get this… again, just making things up.

The truth does not work for liberals. Truth scares them. They see truth and immediately start running in the opposite direction, hair on fire, screaming: NO, NO! --- in the hopes it will quickly flee…

AARP has been making money with Obama are. They offer supplement to Medicare.

What kind of health insurance does Ryan, Peℓσѕι, and others have?
What kind of insurance does Hillary and Obama have?

Most Doctors and insurance companies are greedy and are abusing patients with over charges. Many Doctors have become drug pushers and murderers (abortion, assisted ѕυιcιdє)
Surgeries and treatments that weren't needed..). Insurance CEOs making absurd salaries. Insurance companies with high premiums funding snowflakes contraception, abortion, anti depressants, shrink sessions, drug alcohol rehab, anger management. Cancer and other disease is big money. If they wanted a cure, there would be more done to prevent cancer causing chemicals, sugar in food.

Many of those in medical field are atheist liberals.

And federal government controlled healthcare is communism.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2017, 01:15:19 AM »

Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to topple a nation and create a socialist state:

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2017, 12:51:36 PM »

Quote from: Guest

[quote
What kind of health insurance does Ryan, Peℓσѕι, and others have?
What kind of insurance does Hillary and Obama have?

Most Doctors and insurance companies are greedy and are abusing patients with over charges. Many Doctors have become drug pushers and murderers (abortion, assisted ѕυιcιdє)
Surgeries and treatments that weren't needed..). Insurance CEOs making absurd salaries. Insurance companies with high premiums funding snowflakes contraception, abortion, anti depressants, shrink sessions, drug alcohol rehab, anger management. Cancer and other disease is big money. If they wanted a cure, there would be more done to prevent cancer causing chemicals, sugar in food.

Many of those in medical field are atheist liberals.

And federal government controlled healthcare is communism.

yeh, i know

i believe all in Congress were exempt from Ocare? they had their own special plans

I trust Rand Paul probably more than others in Congress.. and definitely Ted Cruz. If they dont like it and won't vote for it, I trust them. I heard that the new plan will bail out INSURANCE companies!

why i seem surprised is beyond me.. just surprised that we have only recently heard about this. I just heard about it this morning, at a time when most people are at work.. it was after 9 am on Fox.. I think Fox just goes along with whatever the rinos want... I say they deliberately put Rand Paul on at a time when most people have to be at work.. During prime time, they have Ryan on and others who are in favor of this.. obamacare lite

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2017, 12:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Guest

Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to topple a nation and create a socialist state:

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

i have heard about Alinksy, saw a show about him on ewtn

but i didn't know he had this kind of detailed plan. I always have known that big govt is controlling and abusive govt, but thanks for this very clarifying list. Everyone should read it... We should teach our children and grandchildren this.. It's sad they have to "lose their innocence" hearing all this stuff about corruption and controlling others and etc... but they cannot be left in their naivete and ignorance--massively bad consequences to that..!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2017, 06:36:10 PM »

From another Topic site here (General?):

Trump wants to slash EPA by 31%... State Dept by 28%... HHS by 17%. He wants to cut the “green” program at the UN, and certain kinds of aid now going to foreign countries—some of which aid is Soros-endorsed, and involves endeavors that go against the values of most Americans.

No exaggeration: I was feeling a little BLAH before this news.. & suddenly got happy.

Trump is good for depression (well, I wasn't abysmally depressed but anyway...)

Unbelievable.. he wants to cut some of these govt agencies by that much...

Haven't we the Sheeple been waiting for this kind of thing for so long?

One of those agencies was expanded by Obama (not sure which one but doesn't really matter here) by 38%! So cutting it by 17% is still an “expansion.” Maybe that program could be cut even more? After all, most of the time, Obama didn't know what the heck he was doing.. (most incompetent, un-American president ever)

As usual, Sean Spicer explained things very well today (except I still do not know what the tax credit or savings account thing is about re the new healthcare bill, but no one in the press asked that kind of question)

Of course there is the usual opposition. Aren't we just soooo surprised Lindsey Graham is against it? And even someone from the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) said it may not (OOOH, we are shocked, just utterly shocked!) make it through Congress.

Well, contact your representatives and show support for the president—which in this case means showing support for yourselves! He wants you to be able to keep your hard-earned money—as opposed to giving it to the Beast (government), which of course wastes it ad nauseum.

The president says you the People know best how to spend your money (whereas the Beast...).

The Beast needs to be put in its place. All the taxpayers should have to pay for are the basics, such things as: the military (and related agencies focused on our SAFETY re enemies, foreign and domestic) and a few infrastructure issues..

Congress needs to stop spending money like... I would say: like a drunken sailor, but that presumes it's the sailor's money

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2017, 07:06:09 PM »

there are a lot of groups against the new bill. I wish i could remember them but they are conservative groups and individuals

I hear all the members of the Freedom Caucus are agaisnt the bill

therefore, so am I

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2017, 07:52:58 PM »

This is what I heard on a radio program on the so called replacement of Obamacare with Ryancare the main points
of objections is: If you were without health insurance for six months or more and if you decide to enroll in the
new Ryancare you have to pay a lifetime penalty of 30%. And illegal immigrants can still receive free medical care
paid for by the taxpayers.
Just like Obamacare, the replaced legislation is about as bad. The pharmaceutical and the insurance companies and
the extra revenue the government will make will be the beneficiaries.
Everything in the US is more and more wealth in the hands of the wealthy few.
If this legislation is enacted it will lead to the defeat of Republicans in the 2018 elections and the election of communist
radical pro abortion Democrats.
For now, leave Obamacare in place except the penalties. Other issues are far more important. At lease if Obamacare
fails, Obama and the Democrats will be to blame.
If it was not for the trillion dollars wars in the middle east, we would have the best medical care in the world.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2017, 01:21:43 PM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on March 09, 2017, 08:57:14 PM

Many are RINOS.

Republicans in name only.

This is why radical Democratic agendas get passed in Congress including the approvals of nominations of radical leftists to high government offices.

The Rinos are working with the Democrats to sabotage President Trump's
agenda.

Rinos are constantly praised and promoted by the mainstream media,
and are part of the ruling oligarchs.

Many Republican voters that elected these Rinos are ignorant of
these elected officials and have been deceived that these elected
officials are conservatives through false propaganda.

There is lots of money funneled to these campaigns and some
voter fraud that keeps then in power.

i didnt want to think that Paul Ryan is a rino, but things do not look good there. I can't for the life of me figure out why Congress didn't pass the healthcare bill that has already passed (vetoed by Oblame). I haven't verified it yet but i believe that passed w/ more than a simple majority. I say we need to repeal the whole blasted O-care thing.. and go from there

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2017, 01:26:57 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on March 23, 2017, 07:52:58 PM

This is what I heard on a radio program on the so called replacement of Obamacare with Ryancare the main points
of objections is: If you were without health insurance for six months or more and if you decide to enroll in the
new Ryancare you have to pay a lifetime penalty of 30%. And illegal immigrants can still receive free medical care
paid for by the taxpayers.
Just like Obamacare, the replaced legislation is about as bad. The pharmaceutical and the insurance companies and
the extra revenue the government will make will be the beneficiaries.
Everything in the US is more and more wealth in the hands of the wealthy few.
If this legislation is enacted it will lead to the defeat of Republicans in the 2018 elections and the election of communist
radical pro abortion Democrats.
For now, leave Obamacare in place except the penalties. Other issues are far more important. At lease if Obamacare
fails, Obama and the Democrats will be to blame.
If it was not for the trillion dollars wars in the middle east, we would have the best medical care in the world.

that is downright shocking--that people have to pay a 30% LIFETIME penalty! That is outrageous. I had not heard about that. But i am starting to watch C-span more.. VERY interesting the show i watched last night where everyday people call in w/ their opinions. True, half of those opinions sound pretty un-informed but at least we get to hear what ordinary people think, and there were interesting stories about people being seriously penalized by O-care, and etc. It seems Ocare only helps a limited number of people.. very limited.. well, good for them. I happen to care about everyone. Myself, i stay away from doctors and hospitals as much as possible. But you know, someone called in and said something i totally agree with and have been thinking myself: that everyone, wehther on entitlements or whatever should pay for health insurance.
that said, people who take care of themselves, dont smoke, get some exercise, don't over-use health services, etc.. should get a reward of some kind.. but yeh, i think everyone should pay some kind of health ins cost and obviously if everyone did, then the rates would PLUMMET

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