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The Thuc line, even if the rumors are absolutely beyond the shadow of a doubt true, would still have supplied jurisdiction.

Archbishop Thuc was a devout, holy and learned man.  He acted when the Church went into apostasy.  

When a priest showed up and told him Our Lady wanted him to go to Spain, Archbishop Thuc did as he was told without a single second of delay.  This is a sign of  faithfulness that Our Lady will not forget.  Meanwhile, the rest of the church, allegedly with "jurisdiction" were looking for ways to downgrade Our Lady in every way imagineable.  

Supplied jurisdiction is a concept that is very valuable in these times of apostasy.  

How would we pass on the Catholic faith if every trad out there did as Pope Francis wanted them to?  

Phase I was Paul VI and the concilliarists destroying the liturgy.

Phase II was Benedict XVI mollycoddling the leftover trads into submission.

Phase III is Francis I raising the final bastions (the memory of the Holy Church prior to the revolution).  

After Francis, there was to be nothing left of the Catholic Church.

But Bishops and Priests of the Trad groups with supplied jurisdiction are going to ensure that future generations of Catholics have the Catholic faith to pass on to their children.  

No thanks to the novus ordites, but why be uncharitable?

1. I agree that the Thuc line is valid. There are problem with some individuals. I do not espouse the SSPV ideas whatsoever.

2. Agreed

3. The NO hierarchy are not the Church and don't have jurisdiction, the only gray area would be certain bishops.

4. I have no doubts about Thuc's good character or mental state. I do have reservations about potentially malicious men who may have taken advantage of him.

5. The laws pertaining to jurisdiction can't just be thrown out the window by playing the supplied jurisdiction card. We have to be practical and draw a line somewhere while avoiding the usurpation of the offices of the Church

6-9.  Bergolio is nothing to me, nothing he does has any meaning or effects me. He has no authority over me. Bergo is a face for a puppet. He is not the puppet master. I don't know the stages of their plan, the Faith goes on without him and his overlords.

10. It is up to all Catholics to keep the Faith and pass it on. Again, we have lines that can't be crossed in doing so, even for a seemingly good idea.Catholics can pass on the faith with having any idea of jurisdiction. God has provided the means with or without the sacraments, should the latter time come.

We don't disagree much. But you cannot expect people to see traditionalism for more than what it is. It isn't a parallel church or a replacement church, it is a crisis and a sad, irregular situation. We need to watch our step, tread cautiously, and not take authority onto ourselves. We can't give what is not ours to give, no matter how blessed we are with good traditional priests and bishops or how much we like them.

I'm sorry if any of my comments seemed unkind or less than charitable. I let my annoyance show but it doesn't make anything about Fr. Bolduc or Taylor untrue.

I'm not slandering him. Do you know what slander is? He went to Taylor for McDonough's ordination. I can't help that this is a fact.

Also, it is spelled THUC. I have no problem with clear, valid Thuc lines. I suggest you re-read about some of the issues surrounding the Thuc priests and bishops. I'm a big supporter, myself, of CMRI.

I'm well aware of the bad apples in other lines, just sticking to the subject here, which initially I provided reasons for staying away from the Taylor lines. They are good reasons, please point out the error in those reasons, if you find any. I would never want what happened to me, and others, to happen to anyone else unfortunate enough to be duped by Taylor and the SVM. Fr. Bolduc let this happen, and that is how I became involved, gaining painful knowldedge and experience along the way.

A second point that needs to be brought up is the hero worship of traditional clergy. When they do wrong, there is no mechanism for appeals, we can't turn a blind eye. We ourselves cannot let personal feeling blind us to them breaking the laws of the Church or getting involved with dubious characters, and a whole list of other things.

Traditional priests have their individual strong points, some are excellent confessors, others give good sermons, some are good with moral theology. On the flip side, some have no clue how to handle the crisis or as to their role in the function of the Church, they simply haven't studied it, and in some cases are just winging it. They make mistakes. You can't hide these kinds of mistakes behind your loyalty and personal feelings, they are serious matters.

You are getting emotional, you can't let your emotions rule you on this. It isn't going to fix the Church neither will it justify bad actions, even by those of good motive.

This is one of the most sensible things I have read in a long time. Thank you.

I've done some digging myself, about Bishop Taylor, and I have no doubt he was validly consecrated, in fact, multiple times. Fr. Bolduc -was- careful.

Bishop Patrick Taylor was born and raised a Roman Catholic. He became dissatisfied with the changes of Vatican II and became an Orthodox priest. He later returned to the True Faith after being advised by an independent traditional Catholic bishop.

When he returned to the True Faith, he was already a validly ordained priest. He received episcopal ordination from Archbishop Michael Boucher, whose episcopal lineage is Old Catholic and Eastern Orthodox and recognized as valid because it was personally investigated by the late Cardinal Edouard Gagnon.

One of the co-consecrators of Bishop Taylor was Archbishop Denis Garrison, an Eastern Orthodox bishop whose lineage is recognized by the Archdiocese of New York beginning with Cardinal Francis Spellman (1965) and later by Cardinal Terrence Cooke (1967).

Though his episcopal lineage was recognized before and after Vatican II, Bishop Taylor sought conditional episcopal ordination in 2001 from Bishop Merril Adamson. Bishop Adamson is a Thuc-line whose lineage is from Bishop Christian Datessen, a Thuc-line bishop living in France.

Bishop Taylor's validity was recently defended by Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy, a former SSPX seminary professor and one of the original members of the Society of St. Pius V (SSPV).

He was consecrated with the Traditional Rite of Episcopal Consecration. He uses an English translation of the Traditional Rite to confer Holy Orders. The Vatican to this day has a record of him, listing him as a bishop because the Holy See has kept records of independent bishops since the 1950s.