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Which SSPX Schools Force Dialogue Mass on Children?
« on: August 16, 2019, 10:27:16 AM »

I saw the thread about SSPX children being forced to do the Dialogue mass in the SSPX schools (see link below), and it does not smell good.  Can all of you in the local know, tell us which SSPX schools are forcing the children to do the Dialogue Mass?

The way to find out what is in the future is to see what is being taught to the children. Schools and seminaries are easy choke points to change the future. The moment Bp. Williamson was removed from the SSPX seminary in Winona (2003) and replaced by the Frenchmen Fr. LeRoux, who hardly even spoke English, I knew that a big change was underfoot.

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Re: Which SSPX Schools Force Dialogue Mass on Children?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2019, 10:57:57 AM »
The nationality of the Rector doesn't determine the catholicity of the Seminary, especially because it was founded by a Frenchman with a seminary in the French-speaking cantons of Switzerland — places that had the Dialogue Mass for a very long time.


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Re: Which SSPX Schools Force Dialogue Mass on Children?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2019, 11:52:43 AM »
So far as I am aware, all the SSPX schools in the USA and Canada (and possibly worldwide?) use the dialogue Mass.

As to whether children are “forced” to say it, I am guessing the instance discussed in the other thread was a rather isolated occurrence, since most SSPXers no longer object to the dialogue Mass (ie., one must object and resist before anyone could attempt to enforce making the responses).

I am of the opinion that there are several reasons those in the English-speaking countries have swallowed this modernist novelty:

1) It was permitted before Vatican II, therefore it must be traditional;

2) Archbishop Lefebvre allowed it, therefore it must be traditional;

3) the slow but steady and incremental changes in the postures of the faithful over the last 15+ years have trended in this direction at the sung Masses, such that the delta between congregational responses at the sung mass, and the audible responses of the faithful at the low Mass, is not objectionable: the principle is the same.

4) The faithful are ignorant of the liturgical reform, and consequently do not understand that some of the principles cited in favor of the dialogue Mass (eg., using the Mass as a training ground, or as a catechism, or to further active participation, etc. are modernist innovations which were not concerns -and were unheard of except in Protestant circles- just 110 years ago;

5) That all these ideas were condemned and suppressed until the reign of Benedict XV, and that these subversive liturgical innovators met in secret in places like Assisi, Maria Lach, etc, and held conferences sponsored by liberal modernist bishops, who took us their projects and gave them safety, promoting their poisonous efforts.

6) That Rome initially objected, but the liberal bishops multiplying, and Benedict XV and Pius XI not having the same metal as St. Pius X, Rome gave in to keep the appearance of being in control.

THAT IT IS AN OUTRAGE TO ATTRIBUTE THE IMPETUS TO ST PIUS X, WHO HIJACKED HIS LEGITIMATE REFORMS, AND WHO ABSOLUTELY NEVER ENCOURAGES “ACTIVE PARTICIPATION” (THE WORD FOR WHICH DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE OFFICIAL VERSION OF HIS ENCYCLICAL, AND WHO NEVER ENCOURAGED CONGREGATIONAL SINGING)

Anyone who supports the dialogue Mass, by that very fact, has become a useful idiot for the liturgical revolutionaries. 

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Re: Which SSPX Schools Force Dialogue Mass on Children?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2019, 12:15:09 PM »
At St. Mary's Academy (St. Marys, KS), the children's are taught to make the responses, but this is only for the school Mass, all other public Masses are non-dialog Masses and Fr. Rutledge (Headmaster) said he will not introduce Dialogue Masses outside of school. As to being forced, I do not know if anyone has refused. I suspect by now all the children have been assimilated. 

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Re: Which SSPX Schools Force Dialogue Mass on Children?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2019, 12:21:46 PM »
Ps: The translation of the Mass into the vernacular was also condemned by the Church, but that did not stop Dom Lambert Beauduin from doing it anyway, and inventing hand missals.

100 years ago, they did not exist (because it would be conceding the Protestant argument so many Catholic martyrs died resisting).

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