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Where is the Church?
« on: July 05, 2013, 02:26:00 PM »
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    • We all know that there is no salvation outside the Church, but in these times of crisis, where is the Church?

    Is the Novus Ordo the Church? Is the Church only made up of those resisting the Council who call themselves traditional Catholics? Is the Church merely Richard Ibranyi's group called Mary's Little Remnant? Where is the Church?
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    Where is the Church?
    « Reply #1 on: July 05, 2013, 02:30:19 PM »
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    • The Church is visible in the validly ordained clergy and the Faithful. This does not include the Novus Ordo structure and the imposters who comprise it, but it can certainly include Novus Ordites who are genuinely ignorant of the Crisis and are of good will.
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    Where is the Church?
    « Reply #2 on: July 05, 2013, 03:22:40 PM »
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    • The church, visible?  No, seen and unseen.  It is the lifeblood of those who seek in and those who possess it and those who are possessed by it.  Maybe the church is immanence itself, the groung of all being, where the light of God touches the people of God and luninates their lives in the service of others.

    Maybe that's where the church is.

    The church, the people of God incarnate, indeed brings light to all, believer, non-believer, searcher for truth and, through this, in proportion to it's entirety, leads to faith for the faithful and faith for the faithless.  Faith.  It's what it's all about.

    I guess that's how Pope Francis would put it.  (Yes, I've been reading the just released encyclical and that's how it comes across)

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    Where is the Church?
    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2013, 07:28:46 PM »
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    • where is the Church?  It is the Church that Christ founded.  New Order is of man.  Anyone not with Christ is against Him.  When the words, "People of God" is used, that is of Vat. II.  the Church that Christ founded is the Mystical Body of Christ.  That is visible.
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    Where is the Church?
    « Reply #4 on: July 05, 2013, 09:38:12 PM »
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    • Where is the Church?

    It's in the same place it was prior to 1959.  With the Faithful, and with those clergy not willing to compromise the Mass of All-Time.
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    Where is the Church?
    « Reply #5 on: July 05, 2013, 09:49:02 PM »
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    • The Church is trinitarian by nature. It is comprised of those in Heaven, those still suffering in Purgatory and the militants, who remain in the Truth. We follow the age old teachings and traditions, not vat2.

    Best if you read encyclicals from before Vat2.
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