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Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Quote from: Matthew

Over time, you and your family will come to get more comfortable with Vatican II. It will slowly cease to be the horrible monster THAT IT ACTUALLY IS.

You will certainly come to forget that the Church is in a horrible Crisis. After all, if you can have your Latin Mass every Sunday with the permission of Rome, what's all the fuss about? Those "Traditionalists" -- what's their problem?

I must disagree.  Me and mine have attended FSSP for five years or more.  The problems stemming from Vatican II are more apparent than ever for us.  Pope Francis, in fact, has only served as an accelerant for just how aware the wife and I are to Modernist creep.  

You're also on Trad internet sites daily. Is your FSSP priest keeping you up to speed on the pope's comments and actions or are you getting that info yourself?

You remind me of something I need to clarify.  In the last year, I've been attending a diocesan TLM--which was formerly a temporary home for the FSSP, but then Fr. Tim Davidson fell in love with the TLM and has been saying it ever since.  


As to your question: does Fr. Tim keep us up to speed on Pope Francis' comments?  No.  

Sermons in the past year have been focused on an impending persecution that is coming, a hard time that approaches, Fatima, the need for sacraments, how blessed we are for having the Latin Mass at our parish, and family virtues.  

To be honest, I feel that I'm one of the most informed in the entire parish about Catholic news, and frequently I will go to fellow laity with things that we all discuss here casually--and they'll have no clue as to what I'm refering to.  

Me:  "What do you think about Pope Francis when he said this?"
Them:  "I don't know what you're talking about.  What did he say?"


So, no.  Most of the parishioners are unaware of what we all already know.  Most of my awareness of the crisis is through online Catholic networking.  Without people like you, I'd be in the dark.  

And this is why I value you folks.  Y'all are a light in the darkness that I wouldn't have otherwise noticed.  And I appreciate that.  

Quote from: Stubborn

Here's a NOFSSP Pontifical High Mass:


First thing that stands out is they have a table where no table belongs.

I didn't watch for long but I noticed that none of the people who came in at the end of the procession genuflected. That says something about their beliefs, I would think. It certainly makes it look novus ordo.

All of those priests will say the Novus Ordo Mass, devoutly of course! They might prefer the TLM but the NO is good enough for them. It's a smells, bells and dressing up thing in the long run.

Yes, I see it as very sad that the Mass was celebrated by a NO bishop and on the table when the altar is only a few feet away - for a Pontifical High Mass.

To me, that video says the whole NOFSSP thing is a giant farce. To me it screams  of "fraternizing with the enemy", which has always been a very serious court martial offense, not something we all just say "oh well" to.

The people see the smells and bells and that's why they're there, but why don't they  see that the Holy Sacrifice is being celebrated in a pigsty - and not just because of the table, but because of what goes on in that church the rest of the time? The table is merely proof (as if proof was needed) of what goes on in there the rest of the time.

I don't know, we all have to find our own way to heaven and the crosses we carry are all different with varying degrees of tests and trials and we all need to deal with those trials the best that we can, yet I find it very difficult to understand how there are laity, priests and bishops who can sincerely accept the most beautiful thing this side of heaven and it's sacrilegious mockery at the same time unless inside, they are wholly indifferent to the entire matter, iow, they are died in the wool compromisers, every last one of them.

So to me, the reason to avoid the NOFSSP is so that I don't join the ranks of the compromisers. God vomits out the compromisers, whom he calls the "lukewarm".

Someone please tell me I'm not making any sense and explain the fault(s) in my reasons to stay completely clear of the NOFSSP.  

-Stubborn