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Offline TCat

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what you got against Poche?
« on: August 24, 2013, 07:48:09 AM »
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  • What is the reason people thumb down poche. I see his posts with faith that seems genuine and they get thumbd down.
    Who is the poche haterz and why u got a beef with posh. :reporter:
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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #1 on: August 24, 2013, 08:41:26 AM »
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  • Poche has posted some pretty silliness things that deserved a down thumb.  That being said, most his his posts are harmless.  Many of them recently have been nothing more than biographies of saints.  It is incomprehensible to me that people would down thumb these.  I suppose there are some people who down thumb any post my people they have decided to dislike.  Childish, but true.  
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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #2 on: August 24, 2013, 09:05:41 AM »
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  • There are many members here that are not even Catholic, ignore them and move on.  Wolves in sheep's clothing.  Anyone thumbing down posts for no good reason are not charitable.  In fact it would be very interesting if Matthew could put up a feature that required a reason why the person was thumbing down a post.  Still anonymously.

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #3 on: August 24, 2013, 11:22:26 AM »
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  • I am fond of Poche. His posts are silly most of the time, but not malicious.

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #4 on: August 24, 2013, 11:36:19 AM »
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  • poche supports the novus ordo and false ecuмenism and spams the board


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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #5 on: August 24, 2013, 11:45:09 AM »
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  • From what I can tell, Poche has no intention of coming on here to learn about Traditional Catholicism. He seems obstinant is his conciliar mindset. I'd be curious to know wether Poche posts on conciliar Catholic boards, and what his posting habits are like there.

    Yes, he does spam the board. It is annoying having to sift through the nonsense he posts to get to the good threads.

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #6 on: August 24, 2013, 12:52:29 PM »
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    From what I can tell, Poche has no intention of coming on here to learn about Traditional Catholicism. He seems obstinant is his conciliar mindset. I'd be curious to know wether Poche posts on conciliar Catholic boards, and what his posting habits are like there.


    I agree.  Ponce hasn't come out and said anything like, "I'm interested in Traditional  Catholicism but my catechism isn't that great and I'd appreciate some sort of input in how to proceed for the benefit of my soul..." or something to that effect.  He/she  just seems interested in putting stuff into the forum; maybe to generate some kind of dialogue/debate but it's really vague as to what his/her intention really is.

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    What is the reason people thumb down poche. I see his posts with faith that seems genuine and they get thumbd down.  Who is the poche haterz and why u got a beef with posh. :reporter:


    I see you're sliding into ghettospeak or guttertalk or whatever language is used by the spiritually or conversationally destitute.  Were you not just this week begging not to be banned?  Were you not petitioning prayers due to some "trouble at [your] house?"  I'm seeing a weird standard with this.

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #7 on: August 24, 2013, 01:21:19 PM »
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  • Yes thank you novus weirdo. My posts are impulsive at times but not without some reason for posting them. I want to learn about the faith and this forum is helping me. If you don't like poche that is your business, but I don't think he is as bad as he is made out to be. This is a forum for discussion afterall and I think anyone who comes here and makes friends here will want to stay and will gradually learn. Myself I got no grudge ( heretofore referred to as "beef") with anyone on here, whether they be novus ordo or not. I still go to novus ordo because there is nothing else and I need them for confessions. But I don't promote the novus ordo - that is the difference, so I don't see how someone could have beef with anyone that doesn't do that.

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #8 on: August 24, 2013, 01:59:28 PM »
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  • poche is Novus Ordo, so his posts seem strange to me.

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #9 on: August 24, 2013, 03:16:17 PM »
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  • I'll be happy to answer the question.

    First, I must observe that how one 'experiences' Poche will depend on how often one checks the forum.  I check it multiple times a day.  When I check CI for the first time each day, whether that's in the morning or at my lunch break, the first thing I find is that all the discussions that had happened recently are back on the third or fourth page, because Poche has started somewhere around half a dozen threads since I last logged on.  Very rarely does anyone reply to them, they just take up space.  To someone who does not check CI often, they will see Poche's threads but they won't realize that his threads are pushing valuable content off the front page.  So this is a problem that will annoy people to varying degrees, depending on the frequency one checks the site.

    Most of the threads he creates are absolutely useless.  Strange yahoo news stories that have absolutely zero to do with traditional Catholicism.  They are vague, fleeting and trivial.  I don't mind the postings about the saints, but it is insulting to traditional Catholics to post according to the new calendar, which he invariably does.

    Which brings me to the main gripe, which is that he is thoroughly Novus Ordo.  He shows zero interest in traditional Catholicism, and often undermines it by defending the Novus Ordo and highlighting 'the good' in it-- in fact, he ONLY talks about the good.  It's like being in a 12 step program.  

    Neither is he 'new' to the trad (and neo trad) fora.  I remember when he first started on FE about two years ago.  Exact same behavior.  Then migrated to SD, from where he was banned.  Why he is allowed here is beyond me, I think if he must be tolerated then at least give him his own thread where he can post all his threads, and I'm not kidding.  But he has been doing the same thing for about two years now (it may be a little less, I am banned from FE so can't check his join date) and has changed nothing, despite many, many pleas from users to do so.

    Not only does he continue to post gibberish news stories despite the fact that relatively speaking, NO ONE replies to them, he also continues to spread Novus Ordo propaganda, even in the face of frequent fraternal correction.

    Having witnessed this for so long, I am left with assessing either bad will or mental illness to him.  No normal thinking person would continue in behavior that annoys, bothers, frustrates and insults the majority of his 'neighbors' unless they were either mentally deficient, or malicious.  

    Finally, may I point out that 'padding' ones post count (posting at a high frequency with little to no substance for most of one's posts) is a tactic of internet shills?  It gives the impression to lurkers or people who are just passing by that you are a 'standing member' in the community, and in some way or another represent the communities views-- that you are trustworthy.  The frequent starting of garbage threads serves the same purpose as well, to obfuscate the general purpose of the forum and purport the daily discussion to be something that it isn't in the eyes of the lurker or the passer-by.  I make no accusation, but his behavior speaks for itself.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #10 on: August 24, 2013, 03:28:42 PM »
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    I still go to novus ordo because there is nothing else and I need them for confessions. But I don't promote the novus ordo


    que?  :confused1:

    Isn't that like saying, "I drink and smoke and watch porn because I need that outlet, but I don't support the alcohol, tobacco, or porn industry"?

    I could be wrong.  Maybe.



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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #11 on: August 24, 2013, 03:38:47 PM »
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  • Poche has more than 1,300 posts.  His reputation is 14.  that says A TON about when people here think about his posts.  Especially considering that down rates are only equal to like half, or a quarter of a thumbs up.  

    Furthermore, he has more posts (in about a year on CI) than some of the most erudite and valued posters.  Among those who he has out-posted:

    Ambrose, Ethelred, Exilenomore, Graham, Hollingsworth, Obscurus, PereJoseph, TKGS and Wessex.

    All of these posters have been here twice as long as Poche.  And with the exception of TKGS, none of them are even within 300 posts of Poche.  



    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013, 03:41:08 PM »
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    I still go to novus ordo because there is nothing else and I need them for confessions. But I don't promote the novus ordo


    que?  :confused1:

    Isn't that like saying, "I drink and smoke and watch porn because I need that outlet, but I don't support the alcohol, tobacco, or porn industry"?

    I could be wrong.  Maybe.



    It is understandable. If you think that Novus Ordo priests are real priests and you have mortal sin on your soul, it makes sense to go to them for confession if you have no other option. Of course, if you think they are not real priests then of course you would avoid them.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 24, 2013, 03:45:58 PM »
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  • Please refer to The Catholic Bunker and the thread titled, Questionable Death.  Poche strikes again with hard-hitting redundancy...

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    what you got against Poche?
    « Reply #14 on: August 24, 2013, 03:56:17 PM »
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    I still go to novus ordo because there is nothing else and I need them for confessions. But I don't promote the novus ordo


    que?  :confused1:

    Isn't that like saying, "I drink and smoke and watch porn because I need that outlet, but I don't support the alcohol, tobacco, or porn industry"?

    I could be wrong.  Maybe.



    The only group in my country that questions or disobeys Vatican 2 is the SSPX. They have only 2 churches in the whole country. If I lived near them I would go there, but they are far away and I have no way to get to them.
    I understand that the new mass can be considered protestant because of its elements, but I am unsure whether to believe the arguments that novus ordo priests or mass is invalid because of undesireable but still minute changes. The novus ordo ordination rite is supposedly invalid because of one word missing, or because of 5 or 6 prayers missing (depending on who you believe) prayers that refer to the fact the priest makes a sacrifice ( which is obvious because he is made a priest and it says elsewhere that it is for purposes of saying mass).

    You know, the Vatican 2 lovers always accuse traditionalists of forming the "ghetto" mentality. I find such an accusation insulting to trads, but if we become closed to new comers or people who want to learn, ( I am newcomer) then you develop the ghetto. The church is for all to join and no one who wants to be here should be turned away, that's what I think but im unwilling to debate on this subject it doesn't seem right.

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