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What would you do with a friend like this?
« on: May 06, 2012, 02:44:22 AM »
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  • Dear fellow members, what do I do with a friend like this?

    I have a friend whom I've known for around 17 years. The last 8 years of our friendship, this friend has kept coming to me for money when he has been in a financial difficulty. Over the years, I would say that I have given him around $15,000 (and I say "given" because I knew he would never be able to pay me back so it was just given). Well, over 2 years ago, I got sick and tired of being his personal bank, so to speak. I told him to stop coming me for money. That I was not a bank he could go to every time a financial emergency came up. But he kept coming to me for money when he was in need and, out of pity, I would succuмb to giving him the money to help him in his emergency (after, of course, yelling at him and telling him that I was fed up of always giving him money).

    I even stopped talking to my friend for a year once because of the money issue. A couple of years ago, after repeatedly telling him not to ever ask me for money again, I succuмbed to giving him money in a monetary emergency of his - but this time, lending him the money (not giving) on the condition that he had 2 weeks to pay me back (as he promised). I told him if he did not pay me back the money, then I would not talk to him until he did. Well, he never was able to hold up to his promise (that is why I never lent him money all these years but just gave it to him) and I did not talk to him for a year. After a year, when he still did not pay me back a penny, I just gave up and went back talking to him again (since the year of my not talking to him was punishment enough on him).

    I have lost a lot of respect for my friend because of his always coming to me for money. I even sometimes feel nauseous. Even my former maid had less respect for him when she would witness me often giving him money. She would refer to him as "your son" because, she saw me like a mother to him more than a friend since he was coming to me for money like a kid to his parent.

    Anyway, this is my situation: These past couple of weeks, he has again been coming to me for money. He is in a situation where, if he does not come up with $500, his RV will be towed away. He lives in his RV because he is poor and, because he failed to register it, he now has to pay not only for registration but also fines. The parking enforcement gave him one week or it will be towed. He needs the money by Monday. I told him to stop asking for money. That I was not going to help him. He still, in subtle hints, has been asking for help.

    Would it be unchristianly of me to not give him the money, knowing that his RV in which he lives in could be towed away. I am really sick and tired of helping him out financially.




    Anyway, my question.


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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #1 on: May 06, 2012, 04:08:30 AM »
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  • Why doesn't he have his own money?  If he is lazy or profligate, I would not enable any of that. If he is doing his best, but unable to succeed, and you have an excess of money, then you should feel free to be charitable,


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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #2 on: May 06, 2012, 09:57:17 AM »
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    Why doesn't he have his own money?  If he is lazy or profligate, I would not enable any of that. If he is doing his best, but unable to succeed, and you have an excess of money, then you should feel free to be charitable,


    Completely disagree. The situation has gone beyond charitable. After the first loan not being paid back, I would have refused any subsequent requests.

    Has this person ever offered to work for the money?

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #3 on: May 06, 2012, 10:19:53 AM »
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  • You shouldn't have to keep giving your money. If I had a friend who constantly kept asking me for money numerous times a year, I'd get sick of it myself. That is not charitable of him.

    Is he unable to work?

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #4 on: May 06, 2012, 12:41:58 PM »
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  • My friend makes $1400 a month. He pays half of that ($700) to child support. Then he has to pay for gas (which as you know is a lot), more for car insurance, and then money on food. Usually money on tickets he never payed (which are more money since he has to also pay for the fines of not paying the ticket when it was due). He doesn't have enough money to pay for an apartment and that is why he is living in an RV.

    Plus there is the fact that he has the worst luck with cars and spends money on car problems - at least 2 times a year. He buys a cheap used car (around $1500) since that is all he can afford, but then something goes wrong with it and he has to spend money fixing it. Then later on, something else goes wrong, and he has to pay to fix it. After 3 times fixing it, he ends up trading it in for another used car of the same price. And then the new used car eventually breaks down, and he starts the whole cycle over again.

    I've offered him to do work for the money once but he proved himself incompetent in that. Anyway, I really have no work I can offer him.  

    Just to make it clear, it's not like he is asking me ALL the time for money. He asks me about 4 times a year. But I've really come to be repulsed by his asking me - to the point of actually feeling almost nauseous.  

     


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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #5 on: May 06, 2012, 12:50:04 PM »
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  • It is not helping this person to be a man by enabling him to coerce money out of you.  You are fortunate to have an honest friend in your former maid.  

    Have a Mass offered for the man instead.  Or have a bunch of Masses offered in his name to the Purgatorian Society.  You have lost respect for him because he has taken advantage of your nurturing instinct.  Sadly, there are such men.  But if he had any moral backbone, he would not dare ask you again.

    Don't give him any more money!!!  He's one of the parasites lurking around the Traditional Catholic culture, taking advantage of women.  

    I feel certain that your feeling of nausea is due to this loser's sickening money-grubbing and repeat "car problems".  A lot of lower-class people think people with money owe it to them.   It makes ME sick to hear  that he is hounding you yet again!

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #6 on: May 06, 2012, 01:32:22 PM »
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    My friend makes $1400 a month. He pays half of that ($700) to child support. Then he has to pay for gas (which as you know is a lot), more for car insurance, and then money on food. Usually money on tickets he never payed (which are more money since he has to also pay for the fines of not paying the ticket when it was due). He doesn't have enough money to pay for an apartment and that is why he is living in an RV.

    Plus there is the fact that he has the worst luck with cars and spends money on car problems - at least 2 times a year. He buys a cheap used car (around $1500) since that is all he can afford, but then something goes wrong with it and he has to spend money fixing it. Then later on, something else goes wrong, and he has to pay to fix it. After 3 times fixing it, he ends up trading it in for another used car of the same price. And then the new used car eventually breaks down, and he starts the whole cycle over again.

    I've offered him to do work for the money once but he proved himself incompetent in that. Anyway, I really have no work I can offer him.  

    Just to make it clear, it's not like he is asking me ALL the time for money. He asks me about 4 times a year. But I've really come to be repulsed by his asking me - to the point of actually feeling almost nauseous.  

     


    If you are truly doing charity, you have to give in a disinterested way.  The moment you are feeling repulsed, its time to quit!  You are gaining no merit from this charity.
    This man cant make enough money?  Well he needs to get a second job to boost his income.
    You will probably never get the money back.  Just offer all of your charitable actions in his regard to Our Lady.  She will take these intentions, and they can be used to pay back your debt in purgatory.
    Remember, "Charity covers a multitude of sins"

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #7 on: May 06, 2012, 01:40:36 PM »
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    My friend makes $1400 a month. He pays half of that ($700) to child support.


    You're a good friend.  He shouldn't have had to borrow so much money, but his destitution is not a matter of choice.

    It's natural that the well-off people here are calling the guy a bum, because they support this disgusting feminist society and state support for single motherhood.

    In that sense they are totally opposed to traditional society and morality, and are brutal and callous supporters of the oppression of fathers.

    He has to live on the same amount the mother of the child spends on his children.

    If you feel bad about giving him money, make sure don't give the money directly to him, but be sure the money goes to concrete necessities.



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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2012, 01:42:57 PM »
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    If you are truly doing charity, you have to give in a disinterested way.  The moment you are feeling repulsed, its time to quit!  


    Honestly, that doesn't make sense.  If you only ever felt good about charity, is it charity?  Wouldn't being subject to hard feelings and overcoming them make it more charitable?

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2012, 02:29:10 PM »
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  • I am getting 2 contrary advice here.

    What if I decide not to help him pay for the fines and registration on his RV home? Will I be being uncharitable and would God be upset that I am willing to let him lose his home.

    I mean when will this end. Another situation is going to pop up where he will again need my help - as it always does. Do I keep helping him for the rest of my life whenever he needs money?

     In fact, he will probably come to me in a couple of months when aquaintance of his, who is a bounty hunter and whom he borrowed money from, finds out he hasn't saved a dime to pay him back when he decides to come for the money. The bounty hunter will probably have him beaten up. So does that mean that, like I am obligated under charity to save him from losing his RV home, I am obligated under charity to save him from being beaten up by helping him with the money?

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #10 on: May 06, 2012, 02:39:58 PM »
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    I am getting 2 contrary advice here.

    What if I decide not to help him pay for the fines and registration on his RV home? Will I be being uncharitable and would God be upset that I am willing to let him lose his home.


    I wouldn't think about it in terms of God being upset with you for the man being without a home.  What if your positions were reversed?

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    I mean when will this end. Another situation is going to pop up where he will again need my help - as it always does. Do I keep helping him for the rest of my life whenever he needs money?


    He may always be short of money.  You can approach the problem many different ways.  You can set strict limits on how much you're going to give.  You can decide to only pay for certain kinds of expenses. etc.  You can decide to cut him off totally.  It's up to you.  I would practice the golden rule.  If you can afford it.

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    In fact, he will probably come to me in a couple of months when aquaintance of his, who is a bounty hunter and whom he borrowed money from, finds out he hasn't saved a dime to pay him back when he decides to come for the money. The bounty hunter will probably have him beaten up. So does that mean that, like I am obligated under charity to save him from losing his RV home, I am obligated under charity to save him from being beaten up by helping him with the money?


    I don't know the moral theology of the matter.  You have to judge in your heart what's right.  Saving a man from being homeless or being beaten is not something to be ashamed of.  Maybe you're making a mistake in helping him.  Much better than making a mistake not helping him if he is truly in dire circuмstances.


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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #11 on: May 06, 2012, 02:43:28 PM »
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  • If the traffic tickets aren't his own fault, I don't know what is!

    For some things, one NEVER has an excuse. Committing sin, for example. Another example would be traffic violations.

    I got a few tickets when I was a teenager, but I haven't received one in about 12 or 13 years.  It's called having respect for the traffic laws.

    And no one, no matter how poor, needs to live in a "hovel". You can live in an old trailer home, run-down house, etc. but you can throw your trash and pizza boxes away, sweep the floor, etc.!   Bleach and newspaper are practically free.

    You don't have to spend big bucks on commercial cleaners, Swiffer (tm) dusters, etc. Just use old clothes, paper towels, free newspapers, etc. and use basic cleaners like bleach, ammonia, baking soda, and vinegar.

    Padre Pio was poor. His cell was spartan, clean and simple. But his cell certainly didn't smell like cat urine, nor did he have pizza boxes and dirty clothes on the floor!

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #12 on: May 06, 2012, 02:47:03 PM »
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  • Maybe you should get in touch with charitable organizations like St. Vincent de Paul.

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #13 on: May 06, 2012, 03:14:00 PM »
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  • You should probably ask a Traditional priest for advice if possible and see what he says.

    Personally, I wouldn't give him any more money. Even if you give him money this time, what if the next time he needs even more money because he's in a bigger jam? There has to be a stopping point eventually.

    I could MAYBE understand if your friend only needed money on very rare ocassions, maybe once every few years. But this is beyond insane. You really need to tell him in a charitable way that he needs to learn how to make it on his own. What would he do if you weren't his friend?

    As for it being uncharitable in the Eyes of God if you don't give him anymore money, you've given money time and time again for years. I don't think God would be displeased if you refused to give him anymore.

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    What would you do with a friend like this?
    « Reply #14 on: May 06, 2012, 03:20:55 PM »
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  • If someone has a meager income and has to pay half of it in child support, it is not a matter of that person being able to "make it on their own."

    The attitude that "I've given so much already, so now I'll let him sink" - it doesn't seem Christian.  I'm not saying you owe him anything.  Just don't think that having given someone money in the past is an excuse to cut off someone who might be in genuine need.