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What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
« on: February 24, 2014, 06:45:47 AM »
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  • Simply a question.


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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 07:25:33 AM »
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  • My Faith outwieghs familial ties therefore he would be forced to stop his mental sickness and become straight or he would not be welcomed in my house.

    -Trad Guy


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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 07:36:15 AM »
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  • I imagine I would have my suspicions long before he/she did.

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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 09:28:54 AM »
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    Simply a question.


    By "came out" do you mean was born? Or do you mean made an announcement?

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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 09:55:54 AM »
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  • I wouldn't be giving an sappy speeches about love and "I'm always here for you."  

    I simply would state the following:

    -That is without doubt the greatest evil that can be committed and God will show you NO mercy because you are His enemy.

    -Sodomy is at odds with the Catholic faith and therefore you are an enemy of the Church.

    -The family can have absolutely no contact with you in any way until you repent and commit this sin no more.  Any attempts on your part to communicate will be blocked and ignored until such repentance.

    I'm a mother so this would of course be done with great sorrow.  I've worked in a volunteer capacity with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and have learned that family approval of their lifestyle delayed their recovery from their sick lifestyle.


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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 09:55:55 AM »
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  • I would pray very much for his soul.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 10:00:29 AM »
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  • Another one of these? There was already a thread just like this very recently: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=29670&f=18&min=0&num=3

    And, while I can understand why someone might want to answer this question anonymously, I'm suspicious of anyone who would want to ask it anonymously... Doubly so when the asker uses modernist sodspeak like "came out as gαy."

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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 12:24:13 PM »
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  • If your child told you they were a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, you should tell them that what they doing is an objective evil and if not repented, will send them to hell.

    If your child refuses, then disown them while at the same time praying for them to renounce their errors.


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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #8 on: February 24, 2014, 12:43:15 PM »
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    -That is without doubt the greatest evil that can be committed and God will show you NO mercy because you are His enemy.


    Where in the world did you come up with this nonsense?  When has the Church ever taught that sodomy is the greatest evil?

    Yes, sodomy/ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts/gαy acts (or whatever you want to call it) is gravely sinful.  But so are innumerable other acts.

    Yes, it is motivated by lust and lust is a deadly sin.  But it is only one of seven, and all are equally "deadly."

    Yes, it is even a sin that cries to Heaven for vengeance, but so is murder, oppression of the poor, and defrauding laborers of their wages.


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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #9 on: February 24, 2014, 12:44:18 PM »
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  • I agree with BTNYC -- why the modern lingo? Can't we be more specific?

    When you say "come out as gαy", do you mean admit that they've been a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?  Or admit that they've had such attractions?

    I think my response would be different.

    Practicing sodomy is obviously a grievous mortal sin. Having such attractions, while serious, is still just a temptation.

    You wouldn't want to disown a son/daughter who just admits to having temptations/tendencies.

    However, in either case you wouldn't want to mince words. Sodomy is against the sixth commandment to a grievous degree, and it's one of the sins crying out to heaven for vengeance. It leads to hell, despair, and unhappiness even in this life.

    There is no "happy ending" for a gαy person. You can't find a nice trad Catholic gαy to marry, and live a nice life of sacrifice with your spouse, raising a family, growing old together, etc. You can't marry someone of the same sex, and you wouldn't be able to put yourself in a position of temptation like that, since sodomy is grievously sinful. The "best case scenario" is a life of celibacy (singleness).

    Even the devils are disgusted with the act itself (though they do urge people to commit any and all sins). Once they succeed in getting a human to sin this way, they actually leave in disgust! My mother read this in one of the TAN Books she was proofreading years ago -- I don't know which one. I believe it though -- it makes sense. For one thing, the devils understand pride, anger, despair, envy, and many other sins. But sins of the flesh they can't relate to at all. They never had animal bodies like we do!
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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #10 on: February 24, 2014, 01:54:10 PM »
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    Even the devils are disgusted with the act itself (though they do urge people to commit any and all sins). Once they succeed in getting a human to sin this way, they actually leave in disgust! My mother read this in one of the TAN Books she was proofreading years ago -- I don't know which one. I believe it though -- it makes sense.

    Yes, I remember this too. I read it, but I also do not know the source. I forget. I think it came from a private revelation of a saint, I think a woman, but that's all I remember.

    P.S. This is Matto.


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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #11 on: February 24, 2014, 02:33:57 PM »
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  • The TAN book to which Matthew refers is called The Catholic Church and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. The quote is from St Catherine of Siena, relaying words spoken by Our Lord Himself:

    Saint Catherine of Siena, a religious mystic of the 14th century, relays words of Our Lord Jesus Christ about the vice against nature, which contaminated part of the clergy in her time. Referring to sacred ministers, He says: “They not only fail from resisting this frailty [of fallen human nature] . . . but do even worse as they commit the cursed sin against nature. Like the blind and stupid, having dimmed the light of their understanding, they do not recognize the disease and misery in which they find themselves. For this not only causes Me nausea, but displeases even the demons themselves, whom these miserable creatures have chosen as their lords. For Me, this sin against nature is so abominable that, for it alone, five cities were submersed, by virtue of the judgment of My Divine Justice, which could no longer bear them. . . . It is disagreeable to the demons, not because evil displeases them and they find pleasure in good, but because their nature is angelic and thus is repulsed upon seeing such an enormous sin being committed. It is true that it is the demon who hits the sinner with the poisoned arrow of lust, but when a man carries out such a sinful act, the demon leaves.”

    Also, I'd like to commend Matthew for his very laudably clear and Catholic response. Hopefully this will settle the matter and will obviate the need (if ever there was one) for a third thread asking this same question, with some posters being pounced upon for answers that may be somewhat lacking in balance but nonetheless not lacking in holy Catholic zeal and revulsion for this Sin against Nature which cries to Heaven for Vengeance.

    -BTNYC

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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #12 on: February 24, 2014, 02:45:23 PM »
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  • First, I would probably be dumbfounded and hope I was misunderstanding something. Then I would cry. Next I would spend hours trying to figure out where I went wrong. Then I would have to tell them that while I still loved him/her,  I couldn't condone ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyles and behaviors. I would warn them of the mortal sin they are engaged in and that the consequence is Hell.

    (If they are still in the room and listening at that point, I would add:)

    Then I would have to say that their ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ 'partner' would not be allowed in our home, nor would we be attending any occasions that included them. And if any poor innocent children were adopted, I suppose that would have to include them too, unfortunately. (Though I am not sure if it wouldn't be better to try to at least give the child some Catholic influence if I were allowed.)

    Then I would cry a lot more, probably often, and do regular novenas and sacrifices for their salvation until they changed their ways or I died.

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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #13 on: February 24, 2014, 03:15:39 PM »
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    I agree with BTNYC -- why the modern lingo? Can't we be more specific?

    When you say "come out as gαy", do you mean admit that they've been a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?  Or admit that they've had such attractions?

    I think my response would be different.

    Practicing sodomy is obviously a grievous mortal sin. Having such attractions, while serious, is still just a temptation.

    You wouldn't want to disown a son/daughter who just admits to having temptations/tendencies.

    However, in either case you wouldn't want to mince words. Sodomy is against the sixth commandment to a grievous degree, and it's one of the sins crying out to heaven for vengeance. It leads to hell, despair, and unhappiness even in this life.

    There is no "happy ending" for a gαy person. You can't find a nice trad Catholic gαy to marry, and live a nice life of sacrifice with your spouse, raising a family, growing old together, etc. You can't marry someone of the same sex, and you wouldn't be able to put yourself in a position of temptation like that, since sodomy is grievously sinful. The "best case scenario" is a life of celibacy (singleness).

    Even the devils are disgusted with the act itself (though they do urge people to commit any and all sins). Once they succeed in getting a human to sin this way, they actually leave in disgust! My mother read this in one of the TAN Books she was proofreading years ago -- I don't know which one. I believe it though -- it makes sense. For one thing, the devils understand pride, anger, despair, envy, and many other sins. But sins of the flesh they can't relate to at all. They never had animal bodies like we do!


    There is such a thing as gαy marriage, though. I would let them get married.

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    What would you do if your child came out as gαy?
    « Reply #14 on: February 24, 2014, 03:19:28 PM »
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  • But this question is kind of academic. I haven't heard of any good Catholic families having to deal with this.

    For one thing, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are generally made not born.

    They are made when an older boy or man sodomizes a young boy. The boy gets confused, etc. and ends up becoming a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ himself -- often completing the cycle by abusing a young boy later on.

    A friend of the family actually had a son whom this happened to. He was abused at a (protestant) summer camp, and later on he went on to abuse a boy himself. The mother was so distraught, she called the police on her own son. It tore apart her marriage; she even divorced her husband for a time! That's what ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity does to families.
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