Perhaps it would help to make a distinction between evolution in other creatures which is Scriptural:


Wisdom 19:18

"For the things of the land were turned into things of the water: and the things before swam in the water passed upon the land."


....and evolution in man which is not. The fact man is not subject to evolution distinguishes him from other creatures, hence the words of Our Lord.


Luke 12:7

"Yea, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: you are of more value than many sparrows."

As I have discussed with my children in science classes, I do not believe in Darwinian evolution and I believe the earth and physical universe are relatively young. On the other hand, I am not so opposed to some sort of evolutionary process should such a process actually be demonstrated to be factual rather than the scientists simply declaring it a TRUTH that cannot be questioned despite the complete lack of physical evidence that they had said (when the theory was first being widely accepted) should be abundant as more fossils were found.

Furthermore, an old earth would not shake my faith though, again, scientists have established a TRUTH that cannot be question despite the fact that every dating method they use makes assumptions that necessarily establish a very old earth.  For crying out loud, rocks formed in 1983 in the Mount Saint Helens volcano were dated to be more than 300 thousand years old!  If that alone does not shake one's trust in their dating methods, then an old earth is simply one of many doctrines in a religion--it is not science!

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Yes.  I do believe this.  I also believe in evolution, if that is a subtext to the question in the original post.  

Not taking an acrimonious view here but help me to understand your view by giving a short synopsis of how you arrived at this conclusion?

Most proponents of evolution are doing it to show the world that God does not exist.  

I certainly perceived no acrimony in your question.

Basically, I agree with Pope Pius XII.  The question of whether or not evolution has occurred seems to me to be scientifically settled.  We are required to believe that we come from two parents who first had immortal souls.  I don't see that we can believe that the days of creation lasted for eons.  If that isn't enough I will try to say more.  

I of course believe that God exists.  

Do say more, please.  Especially about the scientifically settled part.  

Perhaps it would help to make a distinction between evolution in other creatures which is Scriptural:


Wisdom 19:18

"For the things of the land were turned into things of the water: and the things before swam in the water passed upon the land."


....and evolution in man which is not. The fact man is not subject to evolution distinguishes him from other creatures, hence the words of Our Lord.


Luke 12:7

"Yea, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: you are of more value than many sparrows."

The first quote, Wisdom 19:18, has no relevance to the question of evolution, but refers to the effects of God's punishments on the Eqyptians through the plagues.
The previous verse tells us

[17] For while the elements are changed in themselves

the note in the DR Bible explains that

The meaning is, that whatever changes God wrought in the elements by miracles in favour of his people, they still kept their harmony by obeying his will.

 This is totally unrelated the creation.

Neither has the second quote any relevance here. Jesus is admonoshing his disciples,  

[4] Be not afraid of them who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. [5] But I will shew you whom you shall fear: fear ye him, who after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell. Yea, I say to you, fear him.

and He goes on to say they have more value than sparrows.

My own belief is that evolution refers to both animals and to man and is a false philosophy.