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    What is the most hereticl think Benedict XVI has written or said?
    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 02:55:59 PM »
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  • I'm not sure anything could be worse than his insistence that Paul does not teach that bodies are r e s t o r e d in Introduction to Christianity.



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    « Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 03:15:42 PM »
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  • The above is probably his worst indeed.

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  • Can you provide concrete examples from Benedict XVI's writings, and explain how they are heretical (i.e., determine how they are contrary to a dogma of divinely revealed and Catholic faith, and proposed by the Church as such) and can you cite the dogma or doctrine that such examples contradicts and how it does so?

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    Can you provide concrete examples from Benedict XVI's writings, and explain how they are heretical (i.e., determine how they are contrary to a dogma of divinely revealed and Catholic faith, and proposed by the Church as such) and can you cite the dogma or doctrine that such examples contradicts and how it does so?

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    If you can't see that denying that bodies are r e s t o r e d in a corporeal sense violates the very basis of the Catholic Faith then your basic reasoning skills are fundamentally defective.

    In fact I consider such sophistry to be almost like modernism except that it truly may sometimes result from complete stultification of the intellect.

    People who knowingly defend Benedict when they know he denies the resurrection, particularly when they know that Bishop Tissier has spoken of Benedict's many heresies, yet at the same time claim to be loyal to the Faith and to the teachings of the Archbishop, don't have the mitigating circuмstance of ignorance.

    Knowingly engaging in sophistry about Benedict's real beliefs is dishonesty, and when SSPX cult members willingly engage in it they are committing a truly brazen and contemptible sin.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 08:31:34 PM »
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  • Search for Faith Imperiled by Reason and read it.

    Then honestly admit what it says.

    People who debate like SSPX Fellay cult freaks aren't welcome here.


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    « Reply #6 on: January 28, 2013, 08:46:19 PM »
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    Can you provide concrete examples from Benedict XVI's writings, and explain how they are heretical (i.e., determine how they are contrary to a dogma of divinely revealed and Catholic faith, and proposed by the Church as such) and can you cite the dogma or doctrine that such examples contradicts and how it does so?

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    If you can't see that denying that bodies are r e s t o r e d in a corporeal sense violates the very basis of the Catholic Faith then your basic reasoning skills are fundamentally defective.

    In fact I consider such sophistry to be almost like modernism except that it truly may sometimes result from complete stultification of the intellect.

    People who knowingly defend Benedict when they know he denies the resurrection, particularly when they know that Bishop Tissier has spoken of Benedict's many heresies, yet at the same time claim to be loyal to the Faith and to the teachings of the Archbishop, don't have the mitigating circuмstance of ignorance.

    Knowingly engaging in sophistry about Benedict's real beliefs is dishonesty, and when SSPX cult members willingly engage in it they are committing a truly brazen and contemptible sin.


    Wow!

    I posed request, and I get a rant about "sophistry" and "SPPX cult members." And a thumbs down to boot! How do you know I attend SSPX, or that I don't? How do you even know that I accept Benedict XVI as Pope or not? Maybe, just maybe, I am asking for actual proof rather than internet babble.

    I want to see the words themselves to which you are referring, not your take on them. Seeing how you reacted to my questions with sensationalistic rhetoric and false assumptions, you may see why I wouldn't trust your judgment on these matters.

    If you people take time to accuse anyone as a heretic who has not been formally condemned as such by the Church, then you certainly would take the time and precaution to at least cite the text in question.

    Otherwise, then you sir (or madam) are the one who engages in "sophistry" and are intellectually dishonest.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 28, 2013, 08:48:46 PM »
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  • When an SSPX cult member makes a bad faithed request, it's going to be treated as what it is.

    If you can't search google, or can't read, or just can't admit that Benedict XVI has denied the fundamentals of the Catholic Faith, then it's because you are mentally deficient or intellectually dishonest.


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    Search for Faith Imperiled by Reason and read it.

    Then honestly admit what it says.

    People who debate like SSPX Fellay cult freaks aren't welcome here.



    Er, no. The burden of proof rests upon you. You provide the proof to support your argument, or else keep quiet.

    I'm not gonna fork over any cent to buy any book just to prove you right or wrong.

    How am I debating like "SSPX Fellay cult freaks"? Do you think you are the moderator or something, to tell us who is or is not "welcome here"?

    What's with the ad hominems?

    If logic and honesty lead to the conclusion that Benedict XVI is a heretic, then please argue logically and honestly, lest your tactics and arguments prove to be counterproductive.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 28, 2013, 08:52:02 PM »
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    I want to see the words themselves to which you are referring,


    Too stupid to google?

    Just posted a whole book by a bishop.  Would you read it and honestly report what it says or not?

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    When an SSPX cult member makes a bad faithed request, it's going to be treated as what it is.

    If you can't search google, or can't read, or just can't admit that Benedict XVI has denied the fundamentals of the Catholic Faith, then it's because you are mentally deficient or intellectually dishonest.


    Oh, so you have some sort of supernatural ability to see my intentions, huh?

    How exactly do you know that my request was made in bad faith?

    No, you have to be the one to bring the text here if you wish to substantiate your claims. The burden of proof lies on you.

    How can I see whether or not Benedict XVI is a heretic or not if all I get is internet babble?


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    « Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 08:56:51 PM »
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    Too stupid to google?

    Just posted a whole book by a bishop.  Would you read it and honestly report what it says or not?


    Wow!

    Oh man, it's like talking to a brick wall here...

    Do you see why people like Seraphim respond with the "blah blah rebuttal"? How can anyone take your claims seriously if you are not serious about making your claims and resort to chicanery and harassment to make a point you don't even bother to prove or demonstrate?

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    Er, no. The burden of proof rests upon you. You provide the proof to support your argument, or else keep quiet.


    No, the burden doesn't fall on those who've explained the topic hundreds of time to bad-willed, dishonest or downright stupid individuals.

    If you can't use google and read what we're referring to that's your bad will.  

    Not our problem.  If you want the answer to your question, you only have to do a google search.  It's apparent you don't want the answer.  

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    I'm not gonna fork over any cent to buy any book just to prove you right or wrong.


    It's online free.  Not that you have any interest in reading it.

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    How am I debating like "SSPX Fellay cult freaks"? Do you think you are the moderator or something, to tell us who is or is not "welcome here"?


    I'm not the moderator, but people who support SSPX lies aren't welcome here.

    Questions asked in bad faith aren't welcome.

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    What's with the ad hominems?


    What's with the bad-faithed argumentation?

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    If logic and honesty lead to the conclusion that Benedict XVI is a heretic, then please argue logically and honestly, lest your tactics and arguments prove to be counterproductive.


    You've already proved you're not interested in the answer, but in criticizing anything we say to prove our point.

    That is to say, you're not interested in good faith discussion.

    A warning to those in the +Fellay cult.  If you knowingly lie to yourself and to others about Benedict XVI's lack of orthodoxy, then you are leading yourself and others to eternal damnation.  Because lying is a sin.  Though you'd never think it from the behavior of certain +Fellay cult priests.


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    What is the most hereticl think Benedict XVI has written or said?
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    Oh, so you have some sort of supernatural ability to see my intentions, huh?


    You already showed you weren't interested in reading the book.

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    How exactly do you know that my request was made in bad faith?


    I'm certain you know how to google.  If you're unwilling to use it I'm unwilling to use it for you.  The section of writing being referred to is very well known.  It's not my job to spell it out for you as many times as you ask.  

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    No, you have to be the one to bring the text here if you wish to substantiate your claims. The burden of proof lies on you.


    The truth doesn't depend on whether or not I argue to your satisfaction.

    I know I'm right, I referred you to a source to read.  Now if you wish to deny Benedict XVI is a heretic, go right ahead.

    I've shown why I think it, and I've given sources.

    If you don't want to read, that's your problem.

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    How can I see whether or not Benedict XVI is a heretic or not if all I get is internet babble?


    You mean, how can you use google and read?

    But that would require good faith: something in short supply among +Fellay cultists and others.

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    Er, no. The burden of proof rests upon you. You provide the proof to support your argument, or else keep quiet.


    No, the burden doesn't fall on those who've discussed the topic hundreds of time to bad-willed, dishonest or downright stupid individuals.

    If you can't use google and read what we're referring to that's your bad will.  

    Not our problem.  If you want the answer to your question, you only have to do a google search.  It's apparent you don't want the answer.  

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    I'm not gonna fork over any cent to buy any book just to prove you right or wrong.


    It's online free.  Not that you have any interest in reading it.

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    How am I debating like "SSPX Fellay cult freaks"? Do you think you are the moderator or something, to tell us who is or is not "welcome here"?


    I'm not the moderator, but people who support SSPX lies aren't welcome here.

    Questions asked in bad faith aren't welcome.

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    What's with the ad hominems?


    What's with the bad-faithed argumentation?

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    If logic and honesty lead to the conclusion that Benedict XVI is a heretic, then please argue logically and honestly, lest your tactics and arguments prove to be counterproductive.


    You've already proved you're not interested in the answer, but in criticizing anything we say to prove our point.

    That is to say, you're not interested in good faith discussion.

    A warning to those in the +Fellay cult.  If you knowingly lie to yourself and to others about Benedict XVI's lack of orthodoxy, then you are leading yourself and others to eternal damnation.  Because lying is a sin.  Though you'd never think it from the behavior of certain +Fellay cult priests.




    What can I say? The cascade of ad hominems and rash assumptions is seemingly inexhaustible.

    So, I am going to hell because I expect too much from people, like providing their own evidence?

    Do you not realize that your sort of tactics, lack of charity, and intellectual dishonesty are enabling people to surrender themselves to Benedict XVI more than Fellay or Menzingen? Do you not worry that God will judge you as complicit in these sorts of shenanigans because you refuse to argue logically?

    I am trying to actually help you here by making you realize that you are going about this the wrong way.