The Magisterium or Teaching Authority of the Church
by Fr. William G. Most
By the Magisterium we mean the teaching office of the Church. It consists of the Pope and Bishops. Christ promised to protect the teaching of the Church : "He who hears you, hears me; he who rejects you rejects me, he who rejects me, rejects Him who sent me" (Luke 10. 16). Now of course the promise of Christ cannot fail: hence when the Church presents some doctrine as definitive or final, it comes under this protection, it cannot be in error; in other words, it is infallible. This is true even if the Church does not use the solemn ceremony of definition. The day to day teaching of the Church throughout the world, when the Bishops are in union with each other and with the Pope, and present something as definitive, this is infallible. (Vatican II, Lumen gentium # 25). It was precisely by the use of that authority that Vatican I was able to define that the Pope alone, when speaking as such and making things definitive, is also infallible. Of course this infallibility covers also teaching on what morality requires, for that is needed for salvation.
A "theologian" who would claim he needs to be able to ignore the Magisterium in order to find the truth is strangely perverse: the teaching of the Magisterium is the prime, God-given means of finding the truth. Nor could he claim academic freedom lets him contradict the Church. In any field of knowledge, academic freedom belongs only to a properly qualified professor teaching in his own field. But one is not properly qualified if he does not use the correct method of working in his field, e.g., a science professor who would want to go back to medieval methods would be laughed off campus, not protected. Now in Catholic theology , the correct method is to study the sources of revelation, but then give the final word to the Church. He who does not follow that method is not a qualified Catholic theologian. Vatican II taught (Dei Verbum # 10): "The task of authoritatively interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on [Scripture or Tradition], has been entrusted exclusively to the living Magisterium of the Church, whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ."

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If you reject everything, even most (no pun intended), of what Vatican II or Fr. Most said you'd be an apostate from the Catholic faith. The same goes for most " 'well-respected' 20th century theologians."

To note simply that something is taught in Vatican II or by " 'well-respected' 20th century theologians" does absolutely nothing to support or oppose the argument; the same argument could be used to attack the Real Presence, the Trinity, etc.

No wonder you choose to remain "Anonymous," making arguments like that.

I reject the conciliar church because I believe the Bride of Christ cannot teach error and heresy to the world, or give it false sacraments, because that is truth. You can verify that not only in the teachings of “ ‘well-respected’ 19^th/20^th century theologians,” but in teachings of the magisterium itself. For example, Pope Leo XIII:

If you really believed indefectibility to be the de fide truth it is, you'd reject these false hierarchs as unCatholic and outside the Church, instead of blasphemously recognizing them as true hierarchs of the Church of Christ dispensing to the world their poison.

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There's not a single Catholic source who can be used to support Stubborn's view, but even more than that, literally any Catholic source will affirm what the "well-respected 19th/20th century theologians" say.  Even in the early Church, like the Vincentian canon.  
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The universal consensus of the theologians is a sure sign of what the Church teaches.  Here's what happens if they can err in consensus:
1) all the priests are required to be taught according to these manuals.  The Church mandates it.
2) all the manuals teach x related to faith or morals (which, according to Stubborn, is plainly wrong)
3) all the priests believe x wrongly
4) all bishops are drawn from all priests, so eventually all bishops believe wrongly
5) eventually, everyone believes wrongly
6) The faith is lost universally
One might say that someone can believe rightly despite the errors of the manuals.  And this is called, simply, Protestantism.  That despite what legitimate authority universally teaches, we can still keep the faith!  The Church isn't just useless according to this view, it's the single greatest obstacle to Christian learning that exists!

What does it take to see malice and lying for what it is, and to stop making excuses for it?

DZ P

Man o man, you sede's constantly side track and constantly run from the simplest of questions. I keep making clear challenges and the sede's keep side tracking and keep running from them.

"A lot of crazy thinking is corrected by clear challenges! And I do not know any place where man goes wilder than when he starts to think incorrectly in religious territories." - Fr. Feeney