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What does an Honorable man do?
« on: March 28, 2021, 12:23:45 PM »
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  • Suppose you tell someone you are going to do something for them.  Then they do something which, had you known about it at the time, you never would have made the pledge/offer.

    Is an honorable man bound to keep the pledge.

    Or can he renege based on the new knowledge?

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #1 on: March 28, 2021, 01:46:49 PM »
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  • Suppose you tell someone you are going to do something for them.  Then they do something which, had you known about it at the time, you never would have made the pledge/offer.

    Is an honorable man bound to keep the pledge.

    Or can he renege based on the new knowledge?
    There's very little information on the specific issue. But I can say that honesty is part of being an honorable man. 


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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #2 on: March 28, 2021, 03:10:57 PM »
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  • I suppose it depends upon how much of a pledge it was.  For example, if an honorable man makes a pledge (vow) to a woman in marriage, it really doesn't matter what she does in the future.  An honorable man is still bound to keep that pledge.

    On the other hand, if you happen to tell someone you'll give them $1,000.00 to pay off a debt, and the person immediately spends $1,000.00 on something else and doubles his debt, I don't think you are necessarily bound to give that first $1,000.00 to him.  It really depends on the way the "pledge" was made.  For example, if he came to you asking for help to pay off a debt and you tell him you will help, then I would not hold myself to be bound since it now appears he really just wanted the $1,000.00 to pay for the new item he couldn't afford and it was really just a con-job.  

    If there was a "friendship" of sorts, that friendship is likely to be over, but such a person probably isn't really a friend anyway.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #3 on: March 28, 2021, 05:00:48 PM »
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  • I'm clearly not a man, but I agree with what TKGS said.  

    I do think that the specific details of your situation matter.  Perhaps you can shed more light on them?
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #4 on: March 28, 2021, 05:17:54 PM »
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  • I'm clearly not a man, but I agree with what TKGS said.  

    I do think that the specific details of your situation matter.  Perhaps you can shed more light on them?
    Our chapel has a set of rose vestments that the priest didn't like, so on Gaudete Sunday, he ended up wearing purple instead.  So after Mass, I offered to donate $1,500 towards a new set of rose vestments.  He accepted.  The next day, an announcement was made regarding an ecumenical activity the church would be engaged in.  Had I known about that activity, I would not have made the offer.  But as it stands, the offer has been made and accepted.  
    What would John Wayne do?  I know this is not a matter of sin/non-sin, but honor is the next most important thing to me.  If a man doesn't have that, he doesn't have much.  Would reneging now impact my honor?


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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #5 on: March 28, 2021, 05:21:24 PM »
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  • Trouble is today we have so few that would qualify being a Honorable Man.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #6 on: March 28, 2021, 05:34:07 PM »
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  • Our chapel has a set of rose vestments that the priest didn't like, so on Gaudete Sunday, he ended up wearing purple instead.  So after Mass, I offered to donate $1,500 towards a new set of rose vestments.  He accepted.  The next day, an announcement was made regarding an ecumenical activity the church would be engaged in.  Had I known about that activity, I would not have made the offer.  But as it stands, the offer has been made and accepted.  
    What would John Wayne do?  I know this is not a matter of sin/non-sin, but honor is the next most important thing to me.  If a man doesn't have that, he doesn't have much.  Would reneging now impact my honor?
    No.  An honorable Catholic would, upon realizing that this is not a Catholic Church, depart and never show his face there again.  Donating money to a non-Catholic sect is not something a Catholic should do.

    Oh, and you should explain to the person (I presume the priest) that you will never participate in his evil.

    But, seriously, when you're part of the Novus Ordo sect, what on earth did you expect?

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #7 on: March 28, 2021, 05:39:33 PM »
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  • The priest didn't wear the rose vestments on Guadete Sunday because he didn't like them:facepalm: 
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
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  • The priest didn't wear the rose vestments on Guadete Sunday because he didn't like them?  :facepalm:
    He said they were salmon colored, so he didn't wear them.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
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  • The priest didn't wear the rose vestments on Guadete Sunday because he didn't like them?  :facepalm:
    Back before I escaped the Novus Ordo, a new priest came to our parish.  He also refused to wear the rose vestments because he didn't like them.  Funny thing was that they were the only vestments in the parish that were pre-Vatican 2 vestments--which is why, I think, he didn't like them.  They were heavy.  They might have been made of wool and not the very light weight rayon that all the other vestments were made of.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #10 on: March 28, 2021, 07:08:41 PM »
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  • He said they were salmon colored, so he didn't wear them.
    That's funny. My old priest in the SSPX also refused to wear the Rose vestments. The reason he gave was because they were the wrong color. He said they were pink and not rose. To him they were supposed to be "salmon colored."


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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #11 on: March 29, 2021, 06:29:15 AM »
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  • The priest didn't wear the rose vestments on Guadete Sunday because he didn't like them?  :facepalm:
    Exactly my reaction. He sounds a bit over-precious and pampered. 
    When so many people are struggling to survive, with loss of jobs and businesses I believe it would be dishonourable for him to accept such an offer. 
    Having money to spare, you are very blessed. Why don’t you have a quiet word with him about how people suffer for lack of real needs. It might wake him up to reality. I heard from my friend who raises money for the Indian orphans that they are presently in grave need.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #12 on: March 29, 2021, 07:21:49 AM »
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  • Considering that the liturgical color is actually a choice on that day, the priest is within his rights to wear violet

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #13 on: March 29, 2021, 08:01:09 AM »
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  • The priest didn't wear the rose vestments on Guadete Sunday because he didn't like them?  :facepalm:

    If I'm not mistaken, I think it is permitted to wear purple on Gaudete and Laetare Sundays.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #14 on: March 29, 2021, 08:02:03 AM »
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  • Considering that the liturgical color is actually a choice on that day, the priest is within his rights to wear violet

    Ah, you beat me to it.  That is my recollection as well.


     

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