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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: What does an Honorable man do?
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2021, 08:03:31 AM »
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  • I'm clearly not a man, but I agree with what TKGS said.  

    I do think that the specific details of your situation matter.  Perhaps you can shed more light on them?

    I agree also.  So, for instance, if I offer to lend you $1,000 and then find out you plan to use it to pay for an abortion ... all bets are off.  Giving your "word" is not absolutely binding.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #16 on: March 29, 2021, 08:08:04 AM »
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  • Our chapel has a set of rose vestments that the priest didn't like, so on Gaudete Sunday, he ended up wearing purple instead.  So after Mass, I offered to donate $1,500 towards a new set of rose vestments.  He accepted.  The next day, an announcement was made regarding an ecumenical activity the church would be engaged in.  Had I known about that activity, I would not have made the offer.  But as it stands, the offer has been made and accepted.  
    What would John Wayne do?  I know this is not a matter of sin/non-sin, but honor is the next most important thing to me.  If a man doesn't have that, he doesn't have much.  Would reneging now impact my honor?

    What is this ecumenical activity?  If it's, say, joint services with Protestants, then I would back out and tell the priest exactly why.  This would actually be a stronger statement than mere words against said activity.


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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #17 on: March 29, 2021, 08:08:15 AM »
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  • Are you in Minnesota? In another thread, it was posted at the SSPX is engaging in an ecumenical activity with the FSSP.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-kicking-off-holy-week-with-tradcumenism/

    I bet I know who is asking for advice... ;)
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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #18 on: March 29, 2021, 08:09:59 AM »
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  • Are you in Minnesota? In another thread, it was posted at the SSPX is engaging in an ecumenical activity with the FSSP.

    I bet I know who is asking for advice... ;)

    That's why I asked about said Ecumenical activity.  I wouldn't consider ecumenical activity with FSSP as some kind of GRAVE scandal.  While I don't agree with their possession, they do profess to be Catholics.  It's not like joint prayer services with Prots or Greek Orthodox or something.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #19 on: March 29, 2021, 08:46:37 AM »
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  • You're off the hook, buddy. When I read your OP, I thought you wanted to back out because of some personal grievance. In that case I would lean towards having to keep your word, other things being equal.
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    But your objection is based on serious moral issues and possible condonement or assistance in evil. You're certainly exempt from fulfilling this.
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    That being said, would an honorable man attend a church at which he cannot in good conscience donate a set of vestments? That might be something you want to consider. I'm leaning towards "No".


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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #20 on: March 29, 2021, 09:00:39 AM »
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  • That being said, would an honorable man attend a church at which he cannot in good conscience donate a set of vestments? That might be something you want to consider. I'm leaning towards "No".

    I hate to criticize the OP of this thread, especially if it's who I think it is -- but you make a good point here, I must say. I certainly can't shoot it down.
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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #21 on: March 29, 2021, 09:18:27 AM »
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  • He said they were salmon colored, so he didn't wear them.
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    That's funny. My old priest in the SSPX also refused to wear the Rose vestments. The reason he gave was because they were the wrong color. He said they were pink and not rose. To him they were supposed to be "salmon colored."

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    I hate to say something bad about the clergy, but to the OP, you might as well save your money, because this man will not wear anything you buy.
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    I have heard numerous priests agonize and quibble about rose vestments, agonizing over the precise shade they are supposed to be, and how they are not supposed to be pink, but salmon-colored or whatever else. (By the way, the rubrics use the word "rose-colored", and say nothing about salmons.) Many priests refused to wear rose vestments because they were supposed just not quite the right hue or shade.
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    Finally it dawned on me what was really going on. They just have the normal male repugnance against wearing anything that looks pink, and are trying to hide it by quibbling about roses and salmon and similar things. He's basically saying, "Eeeww, pink! I'm not wearing that!" While it's perfectly normal and healthy for a man to refuse to wear pink in general, to allow such an attitude to Tɾυmρ a liturgical directive is wrong and childish. But priests are human beings like anyone else, and unfortunately some of them just can't bring themselves to wear rose-colored vestments.
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    So if you buy another set that is supposedly the right hue, he will probably not wear them anyway, or if he wears it once or twice, he will eventually be replaced by another priest who will say they are either "too pink" or "too salmon", whichever seems to fit better.

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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #22 on: March 29, 2021, 09:28:05 AM »
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  • That's why I asked about said Ecumenical activity.  I wouldn't consider ecumenical activity with FSSP as some kind of GRAVE scandal.  While I don't agree with their possession, they do profess to be Catholics.  It's not like joint prayer services with Prots or Greek Orthodox or something.
    Calling anything w/ the FSSP ecumenical is harsh. They're Catholics too.


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    Re: What does an Honorable man do?
    « Reply #23 on: March 29, 2021, 10:01:50 AM »
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  • Calling anything w/ the FSSP ecumenical is harsh. They're Catholics too.
    Well this forum is dominated by members who do not believe the FSSP has valid holy orders.


     

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