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What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
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  • I would like to know what sedevacantists think about Padre Pio. Do they think he is a saint like I do, even though he was canonized by the conciliar Church? Or do they have problems with him because they think he accepted Vatican II and followed and accepted antipopes as popes?

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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #1 on: May 27, 2013, 05:37:56 PM »
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  • I think they generally like him, but just think his Canonization would have to be re-done by a future Pope.

    Even the Dimond Brothers like him, apparently.


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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #2 on: May 27, 2013, 05:50:50 PM »
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  • First of all, I'd like to point out that there is no sedevacantist position on this or any other matter other than the position that the See of Rome is currently vacant and that the current claimant in Rome cannot be pope because he is a notorious and pertinacious heretic.

    Individual sedevacantists may have hold a variety of views on any matter that is not a matter of faith and morals and certainly on any matter that has not been definitively settled by the Church.

    As for Padre Pio, this sedevacantist believes he was a holy man during his lifetime.  There is a high likelihood that he may be a saint in heaven, just as there are others who are saints even though they are not specifically acknowledged as saints.  The private devotion to him is entirely appropriate; after all, there would be no declared saints if Catholics did not have a private devotions to particular individuals.  

    However, his public veneration as a saint is not appropriate simply because the Vatican has so perverted the canonization process that no declaration on the matter of Blesseds or Saints can be trusted and they should not be publicly venerated.  This is why the Church celebrates All Saints Day.  

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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #3 on: May 27, 2013, 05:50:51 PM »
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    I would like to know what sedevacantists think about Padre Pio. Do they think he is a saint like I do, even though he was canonized by the conciliar Church? Or do they have problems with him because they think he accepted Vatican II and followed and accepted antipopes as popes?


    "Accepted Vatican II" might be a bit of a stretch.

    He never said the New Mass, for example. If I recall correctly, he asked for an indult to never have to say it.

    He wanted and had nothing to do with Modernism and the modern ways of the modern world. He was flawless in this respect.

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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 05:59:15 PM »
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  • Extremely well said, TKGS.
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #5 on: May 27, 2013, 06:41:34 PM »
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    I think they generally like him, but just think his Canonization would have to be re-done by a future Pope.

    Even the Dimond Brothers like him, apparently.


    I am rather puzzled as to why the Dimond brothers would like anyone so imminently Catholic.  
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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
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  • Redoing canonisations?

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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #7 on: May 27, 2013, 07:10:33 PM »
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    I think they generally like him, but just think his Canonization would have to be re-done by a future Pope.

    Even the Dimond Brothers like him, apparently.


    I am rather puzzled as to why the Dimond brothers would like anyone so imminently Catholic.  


    No kidding. They'd anathematize someone just for having flatulence on a Sunday.
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #8 on: May 27, 2013, 08:49:26 PM »
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  • Sigismund, many Catholics do not think the Church officially promulgated the NOM.

    Please point us to the document wherein you think it was officially promulgated.

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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #9 on: May 27, 2013, 09:03:05 PM »
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  • The General Instruction to The Roman Missal.  Also, it seems to me that Pope Paul decreeing that it would be the ordinary liturgy of the Latin rite is promulgation.
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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
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    The General Instruction to The Roman Missal.  Also, it seems to me that Pope Paul decreeing that it would be the ordinary liturgy of the Latin rite is promulgation.


    What decree? Can you point us to the text please?


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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #11 on: May 28, 2013, 09:29:24 AM »
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    I think they generally like him, but just think his Canonization would have to be re-done by a future Pope.

    Even the Dimond Brothers like him, apparently.


    I am rather puzzled as to why the Dimond brothers would like anyone so imminently Catholic.  


    Very good question, I have no answer, but...

    Could it be that they do it in order to get Him discredited later on, in ways we haven't noticed yet?

    I don't accept post Vatican II canonizations, perhaps someday He'll be canonized for real.
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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #12 on: May 28, 2013, 10:55:47 AM »
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    The General Instruction to The Roman Missal.  Also, it seems to me that Pope Paul decreeing that it would be the ordinary liturgy of the Latin rite is promulgation.


    I have to side with Unregistered Guest on this issue.  Paul 6's decree announcing the Novus Ordo is entitled, Missalae Romanum, the same title as Pope Pius V's document.  The General Instruction for the Novus Ordo does not actually promulgate the Novus Ordo, it merely explains how it is to be performed (and I use that word intentionally).

    Paul 6's document also does not actually promulgate the Novus Ordo either.  In fact, upon reading the document it actually makes two commands:

    1.  That the "words of the Lord be identical in each form of the canon" in this new missal; and,

    2.  That the effective date is the First day of Advent of the current year.

    Frankly, Paul 6 doesn't even authorize anyone to say this new mass let alone require anyone to say this new mass.

    The fact is that, in spite of these facts, just about everyone took the new mass as being obligatory and ruthlessly persecuted anyone who refused.  There simply is no actual law, even in the Conciliar Church, that allows, authorizes, or requires anyone to use the Paul 6 Missal.

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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #13 on: May 28, 2013, 12:25:29 PM »
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  • Some, born after he died seem to think they have the inside scoop on him and seemingly have an almost frenzy type worship of him, others are more objective and would like a real Pope to canonize him before coming to any definitive judgements.  Others think we was a liberal that offered the N.O.  At least the version that was available when he died in 1968.  

    The man heard Confession for most of his waking hours and insisted on modesty.  That part, reminds me a bit of Saint John Vianney.  Can't be all bad.

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    What do sedevacantists think about Padre Pio?
    « Reply #14 on: May 28, 2013, 01:03:01 PM »
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  • Padre Pio was very holy.
    Wise Sedevacantists agree with that obvious fact.

     

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