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Offline St Ignatius

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Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2019, 10:18:04 PM »
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  • Who are these most wonderful people giving advice about giving up their smartphones, Netflix, expensive high interest loan possessions and such to give such valuable advice to head of households that make more than the medium household makes in the US on average with 4.5 times the national average of children, without a mortgage by the way, to preach on how they support their families better? Could ALL you anons please expound further for our edification how your blueprint can be executed in such a manner that it satifies your understandings, or acceptance, of the jooish pailing operations?
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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #31 on: December 06, 2019, 10:20:19 PM »
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  • Welfare is meant to be a hand up for those who need a little help getting back on their feet after a difficult time.  It IS NOT MEANT TO BE A WAY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES.

    If you are using welfare as a way of life you are defrauding yourself and wasting the talents God has given you.  Get a second job...or a third....if that’s what it takes to support your family.  Stay off of welfare.  
    Of course one parent should be employed at a reasonable level. That's generally understood to be 1 full-time job, but exactly how many hours should be spent working vs tending to your family is debatable. But, watching your children be sucked in by the world while you work 2-3 jobs just to stay off welfare just sounds prideful. I'd happily reclaim all of the wealth the government takes from my extended family and friends in order to raise children with two engaged parents.


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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #32 on: December 06, 2019, 10:25:44 PM »
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  • While I'm certainly not for the welfare state, it seems to me that the "zero welfare, ever" position is a libertarian position and I don't see why Catholics would be obliged to take that position.  Obviously in an ideal world the Church would have much more of a role in these things rather than the government, but I don't think we necessarily have to support laissez faire capitalism.

    I'd also say that the currency is horribly manipulated/inflated by the Fed, so...

    Obviously we shouldn't just be lazy but I don't see why a person who's already working full time should work even more because of some overly idealistic opposition to receiving welfare.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #33 on: December 06, 2019, 10:34:36 PM »
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  • For what it's worth, I believe the largest welfare program in the US is the Earned Income Tax Credit. Many people with even one or two children receive welfare they barely even realize they're getting.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #34 on: December 06, 2019, 10:46:08 PM »
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  • Than Then he needs to develop the skills and(/)or education to earn that wage.  No one owes him nothing anything regardless if of whether he has no kids or a dozen.
    Someone wants a living wage? Than then they he need(s) to figure out how much they he need(s) to earn and then do what they have he has to do to develop the skills and knowledge to earn it.  
    It is no one else’s responsibility to take care of you...or your family.
    There, fixed it for you. It seems you are not a boomer!
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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #35 on: December 06, 2019, 10:54:04 PM »
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  • I think the questions should be, do you smoke? Give up tobacco! Do you drink alcohol or fancy Starbucks coffees? Maybe you shouldn’t. Do you eat out at restaurants? Maybe that is a luxury you can’t afford. Do you buy brand name foods and clothes? Do you drive a car With a crazy high interest loan on it? In America the poor are still much more comfortable than those in third world countries where it is a struggle just to get clean water.
    Spoken like a true Boomer. He even remembered the Starbucks! 
    UGH! You Boomers are so clueless. I know that none of these things apply to me, and they don't apply to most other young Catholics I know. You really don't have a clue how hard it is. You beat the game of Life on Baby mode, where young'uns today have to play the game of Life on Nightmare Hard mode. You talk about how easy it is, no big deal, but you had it on Baby mode. Since a videogame analogy might not work with Boomers, let's try: young'uns today are playing with a handicap, like trying to win a race while carrying 2 30-lb dumbbells.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #36 on: December 06, 2019, 10:58:10 PM »
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  • There, fixed it for you. It seems you are not a boomer!
    Good job Nadir! This type of grammatical error doesn't speak well of this generation... it speaks volumes for the current crisis..

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #37 on: December 06, 2019, 11:00:41 PM »
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  • I think the questions should be, do you smoke? Give up tobacco! Do you drink alcohol or fancy Starbucks coffees? Maybe you shouldn’t. Do you eat out at restaurants? Maybe that is a luxury you can’t afford. Do you buy brand name foods and clothes? Do you drive a car With a crazy high interest loan on it? In America the poor are still much more comfortable than those in third world countries where it is a struggle just to get clean water.
    You know who enjoy these luxuries the most? Boomers. They act all self-righteous like they slew a dragon to get where they are, but the fact is they had it easier than any generation that ever existed. They rode the wave of the biggest monetary expansion in history, and that tide lifted all their boats. They bought homes for $15K and $20K in the 70's and watched them increase in value to over 10 times what they paid. Could you imagine that happening today? The job situation was more favorable to all education levels. Manufacturing hadn't been exported to China yet. And health care and education were a small fraction of what they cost today.


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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #38 on: December 06, 2019, 11:02:37 PM »
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  • Good job Nadir! This type of grammatical error doesn't speak well of this generation... it speaks volumes for the current crisis..
    Thank you, St Ignatius. It's one of the advantages of God's arranging my entry into the world in the 1940's. 
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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #39 on: December 06, 2019, 11:02:54 PM »
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  • Good job Nadir! This type of grammatical error doesn't speak well of this generation... it speaks volumes for the current crisis..
    I don't know... I'm torn on this boomer / youngin' question. It seems only a boomer would suggest that buying a flip phone would be cheaper than using a smart phone. Who doesn't know that it's the service which really costs money, not the phone?

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #40 on: December 06, 2019, 11:10:36 PM »
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  • I don't know... I'm torn on this boomer / youngin' question. It seems only a boomer would suggest that buying a flip phone would be cheaper than using a smart phone. Who doesn't know that it's the service which really costs money, not the phone?

    -MaterDominici
    Good catch! It sounds like they're spouting advice from an old magazine from 2012 or something. Typical out of touch Boomer. You can buy a huge variety of smartphones any day of the week for $30. Just go to any Walmart or Target. You can't get much cheaper than that. But this Boomer who has no doubt "arrived" and "did his time" probably has the latest iPhone.


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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #41 on: December 06, 2019, 11:12:35 PM »
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  • I don't know... I'm torn on this boomer / youngin' question. It seems only a boomer would suggest that buying a flip phone would be cheaper than using a smart phone. Who doesn't know that it's the service which really costs money, not the phone?

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    I may have hinted on the matter of flip phones (smart phones) earlier, but, in this case, I was making a judgment strictly on grammatical errors.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #42 on: December 06, 2019, 11:19:07 PM »
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  • Meanwhile, a good percentage of America is pushing for actual Socialism. I thought they were crazy, but it's actually understandable on a human level. It's all these disenfranchised youth. They get out of college, can't find a full time job that pays more than minimum wage, can't even afford to live on their own, but they have tons of student loan debt. The price of a home is astronomical for newcomers to the game. These whippersnappers just want a fair shake. They want some modicuм of economic justice. You realize how dangerous it is when a whole generation has no wealth, investment in the current system, property, or hope for the future. They are ripe for a socialist or communist revolution that promises to redistribute wealth and set things right. They will do bad things, cause bad things, and be manipulated by evil men, but humanly speaking their passion is understandable. They have a legitimate grievance to be angry about.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #43 on: December 06, 2019, 11:26:27 PM »
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  • Someone working 55 hours a week at $15.00 an hour will gross $50,700 per year. With several children they may feel a pinch. But I think it can certainly be done. Get rid of your smartphone. Get a flip phone for $20 or less a month. Cancel internet and Netflix, and cable and espn and amazon prime. Manage your money and sacrifice. Be content with a smaller house in a rural inexpensive area.
    I should have known not to trust your math with the flip phone comment, but 55hrs * 52 wks * $15/hr = $42,900 before taxes. You'd get much closer to your number if you could find someone willing to pay you overtime for those extra 15 hours, but good luck with that. You're probably working 2 different jobs to rack up those hours. Two $15/hr jobs probably means you're not going to see any paid days off either.
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    fwiw, to get up to $50,700, you'd have to work 65 hours per week (or nearly 11 hrs per day six days each week).

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #44 on: December 06, 2019, 11:28:57 PM »
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  • You know who enjoy these luxuries the most? Boomers. They act all self-righteous like they slew a dragon to get where they are, but the fact is they had it easier than any generation that ever existed. They rode the wave of the biggest monetary expansion in history, and that tide lifted all their boats. They bought homes for $15K and $20K in the 70's and watched them increase in value to over 10 times what they paid. Could you imagine that happening today? The job situation was more favorable to all education levels. Manufacturing hadn't been exported to China yet. And health care and education were a small fraction of what they cost today.
    Boomers in other places too. Someone who bought a house in San Francisco or Melbourne 40 years ago for pennies would get over a million for that today. Maybe $2 million.