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Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
« on: December 06, 2019, 03:18:07 PM »
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  • Is it right to have more children knowing that you will only be able to support your family by using food stamps and other forms of welfare?

    This is, of course, assuming that husband is already working 50-60 hours a week? 


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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2019, 03:23:09 PM »
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  • Yes.


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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #2 on: December 06, 2019, 04:01:48 PM »
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  • Is it right to have more children knowing that you will only be able to support your family by using food stamps and other forms of welfare?

    This is, of course, assuming that husband is already working 50-60 hours a week?
    I would hope it wouldn't come to that, but if it did, good enough for the larger secular society, and the social system, to have to help support those who will by their very existence re-constitute the Church and what is left of civilization.

    People who have many children have a great effect upon the future, and ultimately, they control and rule.  People who have no children (and I refer here to laity who could, but don't) are forgotten about in short order and project absolutely nothing into the world.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #3 on: December 06, 2019, 04:09:07 PM »
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  • I say, take as much welfare as you legally and morally can. The state and the Jєω bankers who take in our tax money want to take as much as they can get away with taking so if you can get some of it back, go ahead. And if it is needed to raise Catholic children it will go to far better use than the state or the Jєω will put it to.
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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2019, 04:12:00 PM »
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  • I say morally. Some welfare, like public schooling would be immoral to take because it would corrupt your children's souls, but medicaid or SNAP, go ahead.


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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2019, 04:14:43 PM »
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  • And don't forget that social security and medicare are also welfare, and no one objects to that.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #6 on: December 06, 2019, 04:15:13 PM »
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    Is it right to have more children knowing that you will only be able to support your family by using food stamps and other forms of welfare?
    Yes, it is the right thing to do, and it is your duty to have more children, God willing.  Look at it this way... I'm not on welfare (at the moment) and I pay taxes into the system.  You are doing a great thing by having a Catholic family and if you have to accept welfare, then so be it.  Think of it as I (a fellow Catholic) am giving you tax dollars (indirectly) by way of Uncle Sam.  There are plenty of Catholics who pay into the system and many Catholics who need help making ends meet (a growing problem for all of us).  Worry about raising your children to be good; don't worry about welfare.  God bless.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #7 on: December 06, 2019, 04:18:14 PM »
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  • I mean, lately I have become really sick of the libertarians who would object to taking welfare. 


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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #8 on: December 06, 2019, 05:07:51 PM »
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  • Hey, I say, "bleed the beast".  That's what the polygamists out in Colorado City and Hillsdale, Utah do.  And they have children like it's going out of style... oh, wait, it IS!

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #9 on: December 06, 2019, 05:43:06 PM »
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  • And don't forget that social security and medicare are also welfare, and no one objects to that.
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    I’ve probably paid more into the SS system than I will ever receive from it. True, for some it is a tantamount to welfare, but not to most of those who have actually paid into the system. I’m certainly no fan of it nor of the welfare state which is blatantly unconstitutional. All charity should come via the individual or some charitable organization especially the Church. Merit is obtained by our charitable actions as individuals not by the compulsory abuse of taxation by the state.

    With the above being said, since we already have a system that is unbelievably contorted and corrupted, I see nothing immoral in using the welfare system when one is trying to raise a Catholic family.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #10 on: December 06, 2019, 06:22:18 PM »
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  • Is it right to have more children knowing that you will only be able to support your family by using food stamps and other forms of welfare?

    This is, of course, assuming that husband is already working 50-60 hours a week?

    I'll tell you one thing for sure. Whatever negative aspect there is to being on welfare, it is 1000 times worse by using NFP or worse -- artificially limiting your Catholic family's size. As long as you're not committing fraud on your application, there is NO SIN by accepting welfare.

    Now if you were going to vote for the Democrats, or fail to vote for Trump because you fear he might curtail or even eliminate Food Stamps, that would be another story. Catholics must be against the welfare state, since it goes against justice to rob from the rich and give to the poor. But the system isn't going away any time soon. So this is a case of "if you can't beat em, join em".


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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #11 on: December 06, 2019, 06:25:30 PM »
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  • How many Catholics pay thousands in property taxes every year, most of which goes to the local public school system, even though they never made use of the public schools? Totally unfair. Even the elderly once had children in the public school system, and one could argue that it takes more than 12 years' taxes to pay for a child in school for 12 years. So paying into the system for 50 years because you put 2 kids through the system, that could be fair. But paying into the public school system for 50 years when you didn't put a single child through the schools? Unfair.

    There are so many difficulties in raising a Catholic family in 2019. If there's one small positive help available for young fathers, you better take it! Ever hear of taking the bad along with the good? You should take the good along with the bad, too!

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #12 on: December 06, 2019, 06:45:42 PM »
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  • Social Security and Medicare are definitely welfare. It is the government taking from some and giving to others. Yes, you did pay into it, but you are getting checks from the government. They take from the young and give to the old. While young you lose, and if you are lucky enough to grow old, you benefit. I am on welfare myself. I am not going to argue that no, it is not welfare because my father paid a million dollars in taxes over his life, far more than I will ever receive in welfare.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #13 on: December 06, 2019, 07:53:40 PM »
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  • Think you already know the answer.  YOU are responsible to support your own children.  No one should expect others to do that for them.. NO ONE! 

    Medicaid and Social Security is NOT welfare.  You pay into that system for 50 years.  Anyone who has worked and looked at their social security and Medicaid deductibles knows that.

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    Re: Welfare Only Way to Support Large Family
    « Reply #14 on: December 06, 2019, 08:03:29 PM »
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  • Welfare is meant to be a hand up for those who need a little help getting back on their feet after a difficult time.  It IS NOT MEANT TO BE A WAY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES.

    If you are using welfare as a way of life you are defrauding yourself and wasting the talents God has given you.  Get a second job...or a third....if that’s what it takes to support your family.  Stay off of welfare.