The only way we fight back is to have large Catholic families. If we had this attitude 40 years ago and dind't buy into the "prudent" contraceptive (NFP or otherwise) trap , we wouldn't be in this position economically, socially or politically. TPTB knew a strong Christian family was a threat to ((them)), so they rigged the economy to push women into the workforce,  devalued the dollar  ( off gold standard) and with it devalued our labor and production. Concomitantly kids became a ball and chain and not the greatest blessing God could bestow. If an intact Catholic family needs help to survive and have more children, I am certainly for it. It will only add to our economic future and balance the billions of dollars THAT WE PAY to support PP and abortion worldwide-we should be fighting  to stop paying income tax for abortions and murder around the world and worry less about spending on Catholic children. Fight the right battle at the right time. How many of you are on socialist medicare and Social Security? Go ahead and take that away from seniors ( although that too is a result of the jews stealing our wealth through taxes and and breaking up the family)
Know your enemy

My mother worked two jobs after my father died. We never took welfare and thank God for that. Welfare makes you helpless and my relatives who did go on welfare all had bastards, and deliberately didn't work so they wouldn't lose benefits and the Section 8 house. It kills dignity.

I agree.....welfare kills dignity and becomes a trap.  It teaches the children they don't have to work to get free money.

The only way we fight back is to have large Catholic families. If we had this attitude 40 years ago and dind't buy into the "prudent" contraceptive (NFP or otherwise) trap , we wouldn't be in this position economically, socially or politically. TPTB knew a strong Christian family was a threat to ((them)), so they rigged the economy to push women into the workforce,  devalued the dollar  ( off gold standard) and with it devalued our labor and production. Concomitantly kids became a ball and chain and not the greatest blessing God could bestow. If an intact Catholic family needs help to survive and have more children, I am certainly for it. It will only add to our economic future and balance the billions of dollars THAT WE PAY to support PP and abortion worldwide-we should be fighting  to stop paying income tax for abortions and murder around the world and worry less about spending on Catholic children. Fight the right battle at the right time. How many of you are on socialist medicare and Social Security? Go ahead and take that away from seniors ( although that too is a result of the jews stealing our wealth through taxes and and breaking up the family)
Know your enemy

Nice dream.  Parents have been dreaming it for centuries.  Having lots of children in a devout family is no guarantee the children will follow the parents plan.  LOOK AROUND YOU.
God gave them free will and the devil preys on it.
How would you feel if you had 15 children and none made it to heaven because you couldn't give each intense individual care/instruction/supervision?
Work hard, pray devoutly and fulfill the duties of your station in life and accept what God allows to come your way.

Nice dream.  Parents have been dreaming it for centuries.  Having lots of children in a devout family is no guarantee the children will follow the parents plan.  LOOK AROUND YOU.
God gave them free will and the devil preys on it.
How would you feel if you had 15 children and none made it to heaven because you couldn't give each intense individual care/instruction/supervision?
Work hard, pray devoutly and fulfill the duties of your station in life and accept what God allows to come your way.

Well,gee. We could contracept and even abort all of our (extra) children and ensure them a ticket to Limbo ( and in Novus ordo land, Heaven!!) I suspect that's not what God meant when He said be fruitful and multiply. I don't think every child ( however seemingly beneficial ) is ever expected to get individual care , instruction and supervision. What they will get are brothers and sisters, who will teach them lessons on charity and love, grit and toughness and  other things as well that may or may not be so good, but it will be real and in the end, better than a college degree. You are right- no guarantees,ever. But our Lord said not to bury your talents, but to multiply them. To me children fit well into this parable. Yes, accept what God allows to come your way. That is the answer

Not everyone can have ggreg's high-flying career. One of his favorite subjects is trad Catholic children falling away if they aren't worldly enough. He basically believes that he has achieved the perfect balance for a Catholic life, and that all should imitate him. Toss out those lives of the saints, they lived centuries ago. ggreg is a living saint for the current year, a practical model for us all.

Don’t know who ggreg is but someone sounds a little jealous if not bitter.

In view of the numerous papal condemnations of socialism, I'd say that socialism is a ʝʊdɛօ-Protestant "view of government."

Im opposed to socialism.  I'll also note that socialism doesn't actually mean what most Americans think it does.

We agree to disagree.
I don’t think I ever said or even implied that people were lazy.  If that’s how I came across it was not my intention.  A man must do what is needed to support his family, some get a second job, others  gain an education to advance their career by going to school at night and or on weekends.  It is what it is.  It’s YOUR responsibility as a father to provide for your family, no one else’s.
To have children willy-nilly , expecting others to support them is wrong.  To say that some how one is entitled to other people’s support because they are a Traditional Catholics is even worse.
Using welfare as a way of life is wrong.  It is the abuse of a system that was established as a helping hand for families in crisis.  It is not meant to be a second income so you can plan on enlarging your family at the expense of others.
Again, I’m not talking about that family that is working hard, to the best of their ability and through no fault of their own just can’t seem to get ahead and need help just to keep their head above water.  These are those for which the system was created.  I’m talking about those who sit back, doing the bare minimum and expect others to pick up the slack.

I've been meaning to come back and ask you this... Since you said you have seven children, one of these things is true.
.
A) You make over $135,000 per year.
B) You intentionally skip the Add'tl Child Tax Credit on your tax return.
C) You're receiving some amount of cash assistance from the government.
.
Which one is true? Curious minds (one at least) want to know!

I've been meaning to come back and ask you this... Since you said you have seven children, one of these things is true.
.
A) You make over $135,000 per year.
B) You intentionally skip the Add'tl Child Tax Credit on your tax return.
C) You're receiving some amount of cash assistance from the government.
.
Which one is true? Curious minds (one at least) want to know!

I believe this doesn't apply, as ggreg here is from England.