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We Are Thinking of Leaving Our Chapel
« on: April 03, 2014, 01:24:11 PM »
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  • My husband and I have been having problems with some of the people at our chapel for some time now.  I have sought advice in the women's sub-forum in the past, and I did on this instance as well, but I am now posting here because the problems have become unbearable, and I was wondering if any of the men have encountered anything like this, and if they have any advice.

    I had planned on posting this in another sub-forum, but was advised to post anonymously.

    Ladies:  I would appreciate it if you don't reveal my identity.

    Here is my original post from the women's sub-forum:

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    My husband and I simply can't stand it anymore, and it is seriously damaging our faith. I've mentioned a few of the things on here before (the "Victorian Men" proposing marriage to my infant daughter and women castigating me for laying my daughter on her back to sleep), but it just keeps getting worse.

    For instance, recently a married couple was basically driven from the chapel by some members because they were midgets (dwarfism). Some of the people in the chapel said that such ailments were evidence of "satanic blood" or other such nonsense, and said they should not be allowed at Mass.

    My husband was rebuked after Mass a few of weeks ago because he was wearing a blue shirt (he had a suit and tie on, the shirt was light blue). He was told that it was insulting to the Lord to wear anything less than "very formal" at Mass, which apparently means a white shirt.

    The straw that broke the camel's back however, was this past Sunday. My husband and I had a few people over for dinner, after Mass. We cooked Mexican food. One woman asked whether we routinely cook the food of "other nationalities." We said yes, and that enjoy a variety of foods. She said that we were in danger of become "liberal blood traitors," (whatever that means) and that our daughter will likely have a "poor upbringing" because of it. She then left without eating.

    I simply can't stand all the superstitious and un-Catholic behavior that is going on. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Faith, and in my opinion, a lot of it is contrary to the Faith. I dread the loss of the Sacraments, however, and the next-nearest traditional chapel is some 5 hours away (one-way). I worry about my daughter. I worry about her not having access to the Sacraments, but I also worry about the influence some of these people may have on her.

    To be clear, there is nothing wrong with the essentials of the Faith that are preached and taught by Father; the problem is the congregation. And, only a minority of the congregation, but a very vocal minority. Father seems to be either unwilling or unable to do anything about it, because these issues have been brought to him many times.


    Today I posted this in the women's sub-forum:

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    Thanks for the input, everyone. After having many discussions with husband, we've decided to keep going to Mass, but not socialize with anyone, and leave immediately after the Mass is over. It is a shame that it has come to this, but as I say, the next-nearest place the Sacraments are offered would be a 10 hour round-trip drive. That just isn't feasible.

    I don't think this will solve all of our problems, however. The incident with my husband and his blue shirt occurred as we were leaving Mass. We weren't speaking to anyone, just walking out, and we were stopped, and the "conversation" ensued.

    My husband and I can handle ourselves, but as my daughter grows, and if God blesses us with more children, we are seriously going to have to reevaluate our presence among these people. They have already made it clear by their actions that they are not shy about telling us how wrong we are about so many things, and how we are "damaging" our child, in her presence no less. She can't understand it now, but she will be able to before long. I simply cannot abide this.

    I have spoken with Father about all of these incidents, and while he is pleasant to me, nothing is ever done.

    My husband values his privacy very much, and is on the untrusting side when it comes to the government and online activities, so he has asked me not to say what association our chapel is or where it is located, so unfortunately I cannot give any details about that. I can say that it only offers the traditional Sacraments, and it is it not under the auspices of the conciliar church.


    Any advice, suggestions, etc., is greatly appreciated.


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    We Are Thinking of Leaving Our Chapel
    « Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 01:40:28 PM »
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  • In my opinion, you are doing the right thing.  Continue to go to Mass and ignore/avoid these people who are displaying the behavior you describe.  On the occasions where communication can not be avoided, I might suggest you speak your mind to these people in a charitable manner.  One of two things might happen thereafter, either the people will be offended and avoid talking to you, or they will realize their errors and correct them.  Either way, you and yours can continue to enjoy the Sacraments.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 01:52:44 PM »
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  • I will deff pray that everything get's better! This seems to be a common thing in trad circles(not all)

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    « Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 03:24:40 PM »
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  • If you are having problems with some of the parishioners, before you abandon your chapel, why not just go there for Mass and avoid the parishioners who are giving you trouble. I hope things get better for you.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 04:04:13 PM »
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  • What kind of chapel do you attend? (ex. SSPX, SSPV, etc.)


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    « Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 04:04:35 PM »
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  • OP, I do not have access to the women's forum so no worries about your identity, which I would never do anyway.  That's not nice.

    Your situation sounds crazy but the real problem is the priest in charge.  It's his job to put a stop to this non Catholic behavior.  If he won't do his job then you have to make a decision and you and your husband already know the answer.  It's like a dysfunctional work environment.  Employees will misbehave as much as the boss tolerates. At that point sane people have to decide when to leave.

    Is the FSSP an option for you?  Crazy affects all the trad places but some places seem to be respites while others not so much.

    I am so sorry for you.  That is outrageous.  You've lasted longer than I would.  I would have walked out the first day.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 04:09:41 PM »
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  • Sorry to hear about this. However, on the bright side, you must be doing something something right if God is permitting satan to attack you through these people.


    There are a good number of pharisees in Tradition.


    As already resolved, seems best to go to Mass and keep your head down!


    Will pray for you.


    God bless!


    P.S  Cleave to the SSPX resistance at all costs and avoid sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 03, 2014, 05:10:30 PM »
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  • I would urge you to check out other mass locations in your area.  

    I would recommend CMRI and some other independent priests, former SSPX, as my first recommendation.  

    I have heard good things about Fr. Hewco, the resistance priest as well.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 03, 2014, 07:34:49 PM »
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  • OP,

    I am a lady but don't have access to the ladies sub-forum.  I gather you and your husband are educated and refined people.  The behavior you describe is repulsive, ignorant, and ugly to the extreme.  

    What you describe has nothing to do with holiness and quite frankly it sounds like a cult.  Something is very wrong there if these conditions persist.  Generally people in the state of Grace have no need to impose their Deliverance-style hostility on their fellow Catholics.

    Find another place that is a healthy environment to raise your kids if at all possible.  I hope you didn't move to be in this mess.  Their kids will hurt your kids with their parent's approval.  Whether physically, morally or emotionally they will go after your children next.  

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    « Reply #9 on: April 03, 2014, 07:44:30 PM »
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  • Do you have another mass option?

    That seems to be the main issue to me.

    If you do, then get out of the chapel you're described because it sounds wicked.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 03, 2014, 08:22:07 PM »
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    Here is my original post from the women's sub-forum:

     


    What women's sub-forum, where?


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    « Reply #11 on: April 03, 2014, 09:16:46 PM »
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  • It seems you already have your answer and need to persevere. Sometimes it happens when you go to your priest and you present a cross, rather than to take it away, he helps you to carry it.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 03, 2014, 10:35:27 PM »
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  • This chapel sounds like a cult.  it is certainly attracting more than its share of lunatics.  The actions you describe are appalling.

     I assume you are still there because you feel you have no other option.  You have my sympathies and are in my prayers.

    And I will eat some Indian food tomorrow in your honor.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #13 on: April 03, 2014, 11:14:04 PM »
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  • It is time to go over Priest's head.   Time to talk to Father Rostand.
    Go to Mass then go home.  

    This isn't Normal Catholic behavior.  It is like Jainism.

    We all will pray for you.  

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    « Reply #14 on: April 04, 2014, 01:26:40 AM »
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    OP, I do not have access to the women's forum so no worries about your identity, which I would never do anyway.  That's not nice.

    Your situation sounds crazy but the real problem is the priest in charge.  It's his job to put a stop to this non Catholic behavior.  If he won't do his job then you have to make a decision and you and your husband already know the answer.  It's like a dysfunctional work environment.  Employees will misbehave as much as the boss tolerates. At that point sane people have to decide when to leave.

    Is the FSSP an option for you?  Crazy affects all the trad places but some places seem to be respites while others not so much.

    I am so sorry for you.  That is outrageous.  You've lasted longer than I would.  I would have walked out the first day.


    Children can be taught that the parishioners are comprised of many different personalities and backgrounds, thus the virtue of tolerance, patience & charity is learned.

    FSSP is a terrible option, doctrine is compromised, will definitely affect the children in the worst way.  When they see & understand that Fr. FSSP compromises so he can have his Mass, that speaks volumes on the value of principle & integrity.