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Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
« on: December 04, 2013, 07:00:39 AM »
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  • Was JPII suspect of modernism or known to be "liberal" when he was appointed as bishop July 4, 1958 by Pope Pius XII?  I know Montini and Roncalli were.  JPII was certainly known to be modernist at the VII Council.  What about 5 years previous?  Just curious.


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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 07:03:11 AM »
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  • At almost every turn, noting a few exceptions here and there, the lords of conciliarism have sought to appease the тαℓмυdists, who have laid claim to the mantle of the Biblical Judaism that ended with the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by the pagan Romans, who had been raised up by God as the human instruments by which those who had called down upon themselves and their descendants the Most Precious Blood of the Divine Redeemer would be chastised as a public pronouncement upon the invalidity of their false religion could be made manifest.

    Karol Wojtyla/John Paul II was a great appeaser of the contemporary enemies of the Sacred Divinity of Our Blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and His Social Kingship over men and their nations.

    Wojtyla/John Paul II went so far as to remove the very Sign of our salvation, the Sign of the Cross, at various times and in various places where adherents of the тαℓмυd might have or were in fact offended.

    The false "pontiff" removed his pectoral cross (remember, he was a true bishop appointed by our last true pope thus far, Pope Pius XII on July 4, 1958, and consecrated on the Feast of Saint Wenceslaus, September 28, 1958, just eleven days before Pope Pius XII's death) on April 7, 1994, at the Paul VI Audience Hall as he hosted a concert in honor of the тαℓмυdic victims of the nαzι regime.

    He did more than that, however: he removed a crucifix from the Paul VI Audience Hall. This has nothing to do with fidelity to the Christ King, who won our salvation for us on the wood of the Holy Cross. That concert was "the first time the Chief Rabbi of Rome was invited to co-officiate at a public function in the Vatican, the first time a Jєωιѕн cantor sang at the Vatican, and the first time the Vatican choir sang a Hebrew text in performance" (The Vatican, the h0Ɩ0cαųst, and the Jєωs: 1945-2000, a тαℓмυdic source for this; see also: CHRONICLE - The New York Times and YOM HASHOAH, another тαℓмυdic source for the "concert").

    Wojtyla/John Paul II also intervened personally in 1998 when тαℓмυdists expressed their opposition to a large cross that had been erected by Carmelite sisters in Poland near the Auschwitz cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ and death center where Father Maximilian Kolbe, the great apostle of the City of Mary Immaculate, was put to death. The Polish "pope" requested that the Carmelite nuns remove the large cross because the тαℓмυdists were "offended" by it. So what? Catholics are never afraid to lift high the standard of the Holy Cross.

    http://www.christorchaos.com/PropagatingOnlyWhatHisBossBelievesandTeachesparttwo.html




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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 02:05:03 PM »
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  • JPII believed in the and promoted  the religion of "man" in which the
    material wellbeing of the material aspects of mankind are promoted
    over his salvation of souls found in our Lord, Jesus Christ. And live a
    sin free life.
    JPII promoted and further the devils kingdom of the world, and the
    flesh, without any warning that this can lead to the lost of souls.

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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #3 on: December 04, 2013, 02:14:06 PM »
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  • No one has any sources or docuмentation from Church docuмents?


    I'd be interested in reading those, not windbags who want donations.

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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #4 on: December 04, 2013, 08:27:34 PM »
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  • Polack here,

    JPII never got arrested by the Stalinist regime under the dictator Beirut while Cardinal Wyszynski was thrown in prison. He taught phenomenology. There were eight other traditional candidates for the archbishopric of Krakow and they all got rejected because both the communists and their ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lap dog Paul VI preferred Wojtyla. Wojtyla was a very well known liberal in the Polish hierarchy, he was the antithesis of Card. Wyszynski. Wojtyla would often talk and socialize with women on the street once he got the archbishopric, those sort of things would have gotten you defrocked back then in Poland.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he was a communist collaborator. If the commies have any dirt on him, I wonder if they'll reveal it after his canonization? If they do it will create a massive scandal however it may be more beneficial for them to have him a saint, he was a modernist after all.


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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #5 on: December 20, 2013, 12:34:51 PM »
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    No one has any sources or docuмentation from Church docuмents?


    I'd be interested in reading those, not windbags who want donations.

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    It is uncharitable to make disparging remarks against Dr. Tom Droleskey.  

    And to do it anonymously is cowardly.  

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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #6 on: December 20, 2013, 12:36:17 PM »
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    Polack here,

    JPII never got arrested by the Stalinist regime under the dictator Beirut while Cardinal Wyszynski was thrown in prison. He taught phenomenology. There were eight other traditional candidates for the archbishopric of Krakow and they all got rejected because both the communists and their ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lap dog Paul VI preferred Wojtyla. Wojtyla was a very well known liberal in the Polish hierarchy, he was the antithesis of Card. Wyszynski. Wojtyla would often talk and socialize with women on the street once he got the archbishopric, those sort of things would have gotten you defrocked back then in Poland.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he was a communist collaborator. If the commies have any dirt on him, I wonder if they'll reveal it after his canonization? If they do it will create a massive scandal however it may be more beneficial for them to have him a saint, he was a modernist after all.


    Good insight.

    He was one of the few Priests who could move freely in and out of Communist countries.  I wonder why.

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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #7 on: December 20, 2013, 04:26:25 PM »
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  • Wojtyla studied under Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange at the Angelicuм, but he didn't obtain his degree under there because Fr. Garrigou criticized his thesis for not explicitly stating that Revelation is objective. Clearly, he noted Wojtyla's Modernism.
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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #8 on: December 20, 2013, 04:39:38 PM »
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    No one has any sources or docuмentation from Church docuмents?


    I'd be interested in reading those, not windbags who want donations.

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    Think of what you're asking!  Those "windbags" looking for donations are telling the truth for all to hear.  

    Do we expect Fr Z. to spill the beans on JPII?

    BTW, why did JPII kiss the koran?  And why did he allow the distribution of the Eucharist among non-Catholics to not only happen occasionally but be codified into Canon Law?  


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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #9 on: December 20, 2013, 05:26:06 PM »
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    No one has any sources or docuмentation from Church docuмents?


    I'd be interested in reading those, not windbags who want donations.

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    Think of what you're asking!  Those "windbags" looking for donations are telling the truth for all to hear.  

    Do we expect Fr Z. to spill the beans on JPII?

    BTW, why did JPII kiss the koran?  And why did he allow the distribution of the Eucharist among non-Catholics to not only happen occasionally but be codified into Canon Law?  



    Mr. Z is a windbag too.

    JP2 was an apostate who did not believe in the One, True God.

    Drolesky shouldn't be taken at face value. He, like anyone else needs to present proof and docuмentation. Diarrhea of the mouth does not suffice.

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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #10 on: December 21, 2013, 01:33:27 PM »
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  • For some background on John Paul II/Karol Wotyla here is a link to Fr Luigi Villa's long report in Chiesa Viva:

    http://www.chiesaviva.com/430%20mensile%20ing.pdf

    There is quite a bit of interesting information here. Well worth reading through if you are uncomfortable with the idea of "Saint John Paul II (the Great)"

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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #11 on: December 21, 2013, 01:43:06 PM »
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  • Can't forget John XXIII !! Next Low Sunday (divine mercy Sunday for our NO friends) will be a two for one special.  I am reading through this by Fr Villa on John XXIII right now.

    http://www.huttongibson.com/PDFs/hutton_johnxxiii_book.pdf
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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #12 on: January 07, 2014, 07:36:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia
    Wojtyla studied under Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange at the Angelicuм, but he didn't obtain his degree under there because Fr. Garrigou criticized his thesis for not explicitly stating that Revelation is objective. Clearly, he noted Wojtyla's Modernism.


    Thank you for this interesting information.  How did you find it.  Those who claim ecclesiastical office cannot claim inculpable ignorance but her is proof that Wojtyla cannot for those who did not realize the obviousness of the fact already.

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    Was JPII suspect of modernism in or before 1958?
    « Reply #13 on: January 07, 2014, 07:37:13 AM »
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    No one has any sources or docuмentation from Church docuмents?


    I'd be interested in reading those, not windbags who want donations.

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    Think of what you're asking!  Those "windbags" looking for donations are telling the truth for all to hear.  

    Do we expect Fr Z. to spill the beans on JPII?

    BTW, why did JPII kiss the koran?  And why did he allow the distribution of the Eucharist among non-Catholics to not only happen occasionally but be codified into Canon Law?  



    Mr. Z is a windbag too.

    JP2 was an apostate who did not believe in the One, True God.

    Drolesky shouldn't be taken at face value. He, like anyone else needs to present proof and docuмentation. Diarrhea of the mouth does not suffice.


    Take a hike windbag poo poo mouth.