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Was it valid?
« on: December 18, 2020, 12:33:41 AM »
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    • If a child was baptized by a couple with no intentions to raise them in the Catholic faith, was it valid?

    My parents did not marry in the Church and have no intentions of changing it. They are not Massgoers unless I am singing in it. True story. They have a rosary for "good luck" in their cars. They have never been practicing Catholics in their entire life.

    Was still baptized by a priest in 1995 even though they do not live Catholic lives. Should this baptism have even happened?
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    Re: Was it valid?
    « Reply #1 on: December 18, 2020, 12:45:54 AM »
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    • The Church teaches that anyone can baptize, provided he uses the matter and form and intends to do what the Church does - i.e., pronounce the words and pour the water. So, as long as water is used, and the infant child of Novus Ordo parents is baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, the baptism would be valid and those infants would therefore be validly baptized into the Catholic Church and would go to heaven if they died in infancy, just like the baptized infants of Protestant families who die in infancy would also go straight to heaven. The baptized infants who have Protestant or Novus Ordo parents don't become heretics until they knowingly embrace the Protestant or Novus Ordo heresy.

    Unless the novus ordo guy used a squirt gun and chanted voodoo instead of using the proper form, you are probably baptized. I would still however recommend a conditional baptism because you can never really be sure with the novus ordo heretics.
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    Re: Was it valid?
    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2020, 02:41:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 18, 2020, 12:33:41 AM
    If a child was baptized by a couple with no intentions to raise them in the Catholic faith, was it valid?

    My parents did not marry in the Church and have no intentions of changing it. They are not Massgoers unless I am singing in it. True story. They have a rosary for "good luck" in their cars. They have never been practicing Catholics in their entire life.

    Was still baptized by a priest in 1995 even though they do not live Catholic lives. Should this baptism have even happened?
    You were baptised. Of course it should have happened. Thank God for that grace and thank your parents. Your baptism is not dependent upon your parents being married and practising the Faith.
    Now it’s time to pray to convert your parents to turn to God. They are obviously not anti the faith and you can help to bring them around by you love, appreciation, example and prayer.
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    Re: Was it valid?
    « Reply #3 on: December 18, 2020, 07:42:49 AM »
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    • Whether it should have happened is debatable, but it was certainly valid if the priest used the correct essential form.  All that's required is the intention to do what the Church does vis-a-vis the actual Sacrament itself.
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    Re: Was it valid?
    « Reply #4 on: December 19, 2020, 02:15:57 PM »
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    • If the parents had no intentions to raise catholic, hm, the intentions are to remove original sin. I would have myself baptized again. So, that is my opinion.
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    Re: Was it valid?
    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2020, 02:25:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 19, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
    If the parents had no intentions to raise catholic, hm, the intentions are to remove original sin. I would have myself baptized again. So, that is my opinion.

    It is not your parents intentions that count for validity, but the intentions of the priest who baptised you. What reason have you to doubt his intentions?

    Baptism is a once only sacrament. Your opinion in the matter will not change that, however consult a priest, (the one who baptised you if he is still around) and ask him for advice in the matter. He may have been praying for you since your baptism and be glad to hear that you are sincerely searching.
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    Re: Was it valid?
    « Reply #6 on: December 19, 2020, 04:17:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 18, 2020, 12:33:41 AM
    Was still baptized by a priest in 1995 even though they do not live Catholic lives. Should this baptism have even happened?
    Given the state of the Conciliar sect, even as early as 1995, if you do not have absolute certainty that the priest used the correct matter and form and he had the intention of removing original sin from your soul, I would counsel you to speak with the traditional priest not connected with the Novus Ordo.
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