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Volunteering for the Military???
« on: January 24, 2013, 04:13:26 PM »
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  • In the U.S. and under current conditions, I am inclined to believe that volunteering for the military, as an individual act, would be a grievous sin and maybe even a mortal sin.

    What do you guys think?

    What does Catholic Theology say about this?

    Remember, the Army Air Corps incinerated women and children in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and today snipers take out people with "kill shots" based on intuition.

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    Volunteering for the Military???
    « Reply #1 on: January 24, 2013, 04:51:44 PM »
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  • Basically you have the right to self-defense, and the right to defend your nation from an agressor. Sorry can't quote a reference but you could do a search.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 24, 2013, 05:13:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    Basically you have the right to self-defense, and the right to defend your nation from an agressor. Sorry can't quote a reference but you could do a search.



    Shooting a home intruder is not a component of my question.  Self-defense is a right and, if one is the head of a family, it could be considered a moral duty.

    I'm speaking of military service....

    A military person signs a piece of paper to volunteer to kill if his government orders him to kill.  

    Whether or not the military is actually a tax thief is another topic.

    None of this is intended as an affront to military veterans but we do need to have a complete moral picture of the military and how we live our lives.


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    « Reply #3 on: January 24, 2013, 05:16:05 PM »
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  • are those who follow the orders of the commie-negro in chief defending the country?

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    « Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 05:23:48 PM »
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  • I was taught that it was okay as long as it was a just war.  (I beleive this came from one of the catechism)  However us being in Alfganistan right now is not a just reason.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 24, 2013, 05:33:56 PM »
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  • I don't see the military defending the country, but the drug war, yes.  My husband and are veterans, out in 1992.  As we know of, there have been no wars to win or to defend our country since Truman.  And our country is in worst shape and taken over by commies and socialism, and masons, secret societies.  So, I certainly don't see any defending going on.  I would recommend no one join.   Those who do are looking for money, schooling and it is a rotten place to go for that.  Now we are supporting porn.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2013, 10:13:30 PM »
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  • OP, my heart breaks for you and your husband, the pain I know this causes you.  I am the child of a military family and grew up on bases.  All our friends were salt of the earth good military families, most of them Catholic. My father a colonel, brother a naval commander, another brother a staff sgt,, a purple heart awarded uncle, shot down at Normandy, etc.  
    Yet, I have come to the same conclusions.  It is sickening.  Our good soldiers fight for the entertainment and interests of the elite.

    Further to this discussion, for those of you who have missed this news story:
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        I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks.

        “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”.

        Those who will not are being removed.

        Dr. Jim Garrow – January 21, 2013

     Join or Not Join?
    http://lewrockwell.com/vance/vance304.html

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    « Reply #7 on: January 25, 2013, 01:16:40 PM »
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  • The criteria for a just war are pretty stringent.

    However, would killing someone you had nothing against go against the Divine Law of "Thou Shall Not Kill?"  

    Then there is the case example of the U.S. Air Force...


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    « Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 11:13:16 PM »
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  • Signing up for the military means that you are pledging allegiance to a highly immoral entity and you may be placed in a situation where you will kill another human being who you had absolutely nothing against except that your self pledged lord and master said to kill.

    At what point is aiming your rifle, or worse, operating a drone safely from hundreds of miles away and delivering death and destruction to other human beings become just plain old murder?

    And, to what culpability would someone be held for willingly signing up for the U. S. Air Force which made its bones by incinerating women and children in Japan?

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    « Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 11:16:50 PM »
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  • Also, we may think of the horror of the A-bomb, but do not forget the horror of the Allied bombing of Dresden with thousands upon thousands of civilians, women and children killed.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=allied+bombing+of+dresden&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bWYDUYSjOaSM0QHr6oHIAg&ved=0CEgQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=705

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    « Reply #10 on: February 02, 2013, 10:22:33 PM »
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  • Can a government abrogate the commandment against murder?  What if a soldier kills in advance and not self defense?  What if a soldier is involved with a war of aggression?

    I remember watching a tv show on famous rifles. When they were discussing the Enfeild rifle, the tv show commentators were talking about the accuracy oF a rifle where it was used to αssαssιnαtҽ a man on the other side who was taking a bath.  Well, how is that not murder?  When you aim a rifle at a man who you personally have nothing against and you pull the trigger and your only reason was because your government told you so, why is this not considered murder?

    It's morally sickening to spout nonsense like "I support the troops." Why not just say, I support murder. Or I'm thrilled to see killings for the sake of whatever my government's secret motives are.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 12:26:43 AM »
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  • I also believe another consideration for a young man should be whether he wants to be part of an organization that is now openly allowing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs into its ranks.  

    From what I have heard from those currently in the military, they are forcing them and their spouses to go to "diversity" training, so they become soft and accepting of sodomy.

    There is no way I would ever allow my sons into such an organization.  If there were a draft, I would move my family out of America.  

    I do not want my boys to be forced to share dressing rooms and showers, and bedrooms with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.


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    « Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 07:54:35 AM »
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  • Those in the US military should remind themselves that they are military for the UN.  There have been Americans buried under the UN flag.  And in my opinion we are more UN than under a constitution that is not upheld.  If we ever think about attacking DC we should think UN.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 08:00:26 AM »
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    In the U.S. and under current conditions, I am inclined to believe that volunteering for the military, as an individual act, would be a grievous sin and maybe even a mortal sin.

    What do you guys think?

    What does Catholic Theology say about this?

    Remember, the Army Air Corps incinerated women and children in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and today snipers take out people with "kill shots" based on intuition.


    What a asinine statement.  :facepalm:

    You kick us Veteran's in the face by inferring we commit mortal sin just by enlisting.

    You kick us Veteran's in the face by inferring we become robots and are unable to discern between right and wrong.

    You kick us honorably discharged Veteran's in the face by lumping us in the same pile with those who have no morals.

    What do you really know about serving in the military?

    Paul J. Goodness Jr. aka Elmer Fudd
    Honorably discharged from the United States Marine Corps.

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    Volunteering for the Military???
    « Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 08:03:07 AM »
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    Those in the US military should remind themselves that they are military for the UN.  There have been Americans buried under the UN flag.  And in my opinion we are more UN than under a constitution that is not upheld.  If we ever think about attacking DC we should think UN.


    True words.


     

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