Author Topic: Vocation for someone with same sex attraction (Read 5874 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** September 16, 2014, 01:19:13 AM »

I am afflicted with same sex attraction. I have not been an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ I have gone through a discernment process in the Novus Ordo before and was accepted in the diocesan seminary. Due to my age, my local ordinary told me to work for a bit first and re-apply at the Senior Seminary (for "late vocations"). I used that time to really look into the crisis in the Church. Now, I'm considering discerning a vocation in a traditional setting. But am I really impeded from doing so? Is this desire not from God? It this a "false" or "fake" vocation?

ggreg · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2014, 01:44:47 AM »

Why not get a job, earn money, start a business and give much of your income to good causes.

Or become a skilled workman and craftsman and go from Trad church to Trad chapel making repairs for your daily bread?

Or an accountant and file Catholics' tax returns for them on the cheap. Help them keep more of their income to raise their families and give less to the machine.

In short, you have nearly all of the options that anyone else has. Most of which don't cause any problem with your affliction.

Sure, you cannot get married, but then you have no desire to since you are not attracted to women. Think of all the ugly women in the world who are left on the shelf. What do they do with their lives? I am sure they have the same desires to have children and have sɛҳuąƖ intercourse, yet their nature often prevents it.

Disabled people cannot become priests either sometimes since their disability is an impediment. If they have to accept the cards they've been dealt and play that hand then why can't you?

Stubborn · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2014, 03:51:01 AM »

You obviously know you suffer from this affliction, you then certainly know that seminary will only be "throwing gas on the fire", you are obligated to avoid the occasion of sin for yourself and others.

Your discerning is not for a vocation, rather you're playing with fire and flirting with disaster and you know it.

BTNYC · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2014, 07:31:34 AM »

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you then certainly know that seminary will only be "throwing gas on the fire",

Which is why NO "vocation directors" jump at the chance to use well-meaning men like the OP as fuel for the conflagration.

A holy and chaste life as a layman is most likely your vocation, OP. And you can do much good in it.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2014, 02:40:35 PM »

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You obviously know you suffer from this affliction, you then certainly know that seminary will only be "throwing gas on the fire", you are obligated to avoid the occasion of sin for yourself and others.

Your discerning is not for a vocation, rather you're playing with fire and flirting with disaster and you know it.

What the above person said. That's the right answer.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2014, 03:01:00 PM »

Surely you have heard of the Catholic group "Courage," to help persons with the attraction to persons of the same sex. Yes, it is N. O., but they do help those struggling with this.

OHCA · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2014, 08:34:31 PM »

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Surely you have heard of the Catholic group "Courage," to help persons with the attraction to persons of the same sex. Yes, it is N. O., but they do help those struggling with this.

From what the OP says, he is remaining chaste. The last thing I would do would be to direct someone who is remaining chaste despite queer tendencies to some sort of NO group for queer tendencies. They'd be compiling the guest-list for his "coming out" party before you could say "Frank is a fraud" or "who am I to judge."

To the OP--some people may think that my language (and perhaps even me as a person) is blunt, crude, cruel, offensive, etc. But I applaud you in your chastity and I have asked God to give you the graces to remain so and to get to Heaven.

I really struggle with the idea that same-sex attraction is legitimate in more than a minuscule number of people. I strongly suspect that most who have "came out" have only done so for the drama and flamboyance. I feel a bit gullible for believing that perhaps you really do have such tendencies. But I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and praying for you as I can only imagine how hard it must be to live chastely as you should in this culture that no longer whispers, but rather yells at the top of its lungs, that sodomite relationships are legitimate options.

poche · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2014, 12:11:11 AM »

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I am afflicted with same sex attraction. I have not been an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ I have gone through a discernment process in the Novus Ordo before and was accepted in the diocesan seminary. Due to my age, my local ordinary told me to work for a bit first and re-apply at the Senior Seminary (for "late vocations"). I used that time to really look into the crisis in the Church. Now, I'm considering discerning a vocation in a traditional setting. But am I really impeded from doing so? Is this desire not from God? It this a "false" or "fake" vocation?

Why not pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you.

ggreg · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2014, 02:55:34 AM »

It should be obvious to any rational and intelligent person that they are not legitimate.

For one thing, you poop hole is for poop. It is full of bacteria and waste. I am sure we've all noticed the smell. Nature/God makes poop smell like that for a reason.

Left to nature, sodomites contract all manner of nasty diseases, whereas faithful heterosɛҳuąƖs don't. Why would nature or God allow that to be the case, if ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖly was legitimate or natural. Surely we would have evolved a clean hole or at least our poop would be harmless and sɛҳuąƖly transmitted infections would not exist.

Sodomy did not suddenly become legitimate with the advent of latex and anti-viral medicine.

Stubborn · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2014, 05:58:39 AM »

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you then certainly know that seminary will only be "throwing gas on the fire",

Which is why NO "vocation directors" jump at the chance to use well-meaning men like the OP as fuel for the conflagration.

Yes, and this has been the practice for many decades already.

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Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2014, 01:06:19 PM »

Great video, Stubborn

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2014, 05:17:01 PM »

Poche wrote:

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Why not pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you.

Because that's not how Catholics do discernment!

This is from the 2005 instruction on gαy men and the priesthood:

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Deep-seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, which are found in a number of men and women, are also objectively disordered and, for those same people, often constitute a trial. Such persons must be accepted with respect and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. They are called to fulfil God's will in their lives and to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter[8].

In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, present deep-seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies or support the so-called "gαy culture"[10].

Such persons, in fact, find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women. One must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of persons with deep-seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies.

Different, however, would be the case in which one were dealing with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies that were only the expression of a transitory problem - for example, that of an adolescence not yet superseded. Nevertheless, such tendencies must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate.

This is an excellent place to start. A person with deep-seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies is not to be admitted to seminary or Holy Orders.

Want to know what 'deep seated' means? The person must clearly overcome these temptations and be free of them for at least three years in order to know that they are not 'deep seated'.

See, discernment is not as hard as Poche is making it sound. It's not going out in the woods and gazing deeply into one's navel to wait for an inner locution. It's simply asking 'what does the Church say?'.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2014, 07:20:24 AM »

If you have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, no seminary, convent or marriage. Just prayer and fasting.
It is because of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and sɛҳuąƖ abuse that the Church is in trouble.
In regards to to NYC st Patricks day parade and cardinal Dolan, this is what happens when ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is allowed in seminaries. Cardinal Dolan condoned the act of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity when an athlete came out to say he was active practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and Dolan went out of his way to speak to media and made a point publically to say "good for him. ". Now he is making excuses to include active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in parade. Dolan and others like him only represent the LGbtq group. They don't care about anyone else because they are in state of mortal sin.
There are more Christians in America and yet it is the small percentage of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs that run our countries, towns , churches, media, Hollywood, etc
Dolan speaks of charity for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and yet no charity for prolife groups.
No wonder satanists from New York will hold black mass in Oklahoma.
Lukewarm Christians

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** September 19, 2014, 07:26:03 AM »

No discernment for anyone with deep seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ urges.
You need to pray, fast and read the bible go to confession and mass.
With your deep seated urges and thoughts you have sinned. It is out of love and charity that we tell you this.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 19, 2014, 07:28:28 AM »

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If you have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, no seminary, convent or marriage ever. Maybe you can be a brother in a monastary or third order but never priest. Just prayer and fasting.
It is because of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and sɛҳuąƖ abuse that the Church is in trouble.
In regards to to NYC st Patricks day parade and cardinal Dolan, this is what happens when ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is allowed in seminaries. Cardinal Dolan condoned the act of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity when an athlete came out to say he was active practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and Dolan went out of his way to speak to media and made a point publically to say "good for him. ". Now he is making excuses to include active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in parade. Dolan and others like him only represent the LGbtq group. They don't care about anyone else because they are in state of mortal sin.
There are more Christians in America and yet it is the small percentage of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs that run our countries, towns , churches, media, Hollywood, etc
Dolan speaks of charity for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and yet no charity for prolife groups.
No wonder satanists from New York will hold black mass in Oklahoma.
Lukewarm Christians

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