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« on: May 23, 2013, 12:45:24 AM »
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  • Are they welcomed into sspx?  


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    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 12:53:00 AM »
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  • What, is the SSPX a club now? I thought the Church was for all men who seek salvation. The SSPX is just a religious congregation within the Catholic Church.

    Unless they wish to start their own religion, the Catholic Church already has rules for this sort of thing.

    Are those victimized by N.O. Catholic clergy to despair of salvation now?

    Give me a break.

    Now it would be imprudent to put them on a track to ordination, but I'm sure that even the modern SSPX wouldn't make that mistake.

    They want to sell out Lefebvre's mission and gain Roman recognition and all that, but I'm sure they still see the downside of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests. If nothing else, the dollar cost!
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    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 07:59:34 AM »
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  • Related question on Catholic teaching.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are supposed not to be ordained but what happens if it's discovered they're ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ after ordination?

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    « Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 08:13:44 AM »
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    Now it would be imprudent to put them on a track to ordination, but I'm sure that even the modern SSPX wouldn't make that mistake.



    Why would it be imprudent? Someone suffers childhood abuse so they cannot be a priest?
    ~Tiffany

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    « Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 11:17:09 AM »
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    Are they welcomed into sspx?  


    YES.  Victims of sɛҳuąƖ abuse especially need valid sacraments to heal.  Don't hesitate.  Don't forget to go to Confession to confess any lingering anger you may have towards your abuser.  

    Sending hugs to you (or whoever you posted this about).


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    « Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 01:07:27 PM »
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    Related question on Catholic teaching.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are supposed not to be ordained but what happens if it's discovered they're ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ after ordination?


    They are "defrocked" and sent into some kind of retirement, where they won't be dealing with the public.

    It's not a question of charity, it's a question of prudence.

    Just like a single man isn't to go ahead and "trust himself" alone with his girlfriend or fiancee. He is to DISTRUST HIMSELF and play it safe, following the rules of Catholic courtship.

    There is always a temptation to make an exception for this or that person, because "he seems nice". Especially ourselves. But we must not do this.

    "Pride goeth before the fall."
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    « Reply #6 on: May 23, 2013, 01:11:00 PM »
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    Now it would be imprudent to put them on a track to ordination, but I'm sure that even the modern SSPX wouldn't make that mistake.



    Why would it be imprudent? Someone suffers childhood abuse so they cannot be a priest?
    ~Tiffany


    Any serious abuse as a child is very likely to cause permanent mental/emotional/psychological/spiritual damage to the victim.

    In short, they are damaged goods. Damaged goods are not fit matter for the sacrament of Holy Orders.


    One has to appreciate the loftiness of the priesthood, which is certainly above many people (heck, it's above 1/2 of the population (women) right off the bat!)

    Men with insufficient intellect are not eligible.
    Men with some facial or other deformity are not eligible.
    Men missing one of their index fingers or thumbs are not eligible.
    Men who are born illegitimate have to get a dispensation. They are certainly not eligible by default.

    "Not fair!" you might think. But those are the rules of God's Church.

    Saying, "You can't be a priest" is not the same as God or the Church saying, "You are worthless." or "I don't love you."

    A person who is not eligible, even "damaged goods", is free to go on to be a saint, and a valuable member of the Mystical Body of Christ, helping others to save their souls. They just can't be a priest, that's all.

    In this day and age of "everyone's equal" and "I can do anything", such a policy seems harsh. It's heresy to the bleeding-heart liberalism that prevails in the modern world.

    In the olden days, disabled persons were never considered for the Olympics. Today, we have the Special Olympics. A perfect example of what I'm talking about.

    Don't think mankind has become smarter because more men/women go to college today, either. Colleges have simply been watered down, so more people can pass.
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    « Reply #7 on: May 23, 2013, 03:10:05 PM »
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  • I would add that it's been reported that a large number of those who've been sɛҳuąƖly assaulted become demonically obsessed in the aftermath.  Most will likely struggle spiritually for the rest of their lives, needing a great amount of spiritual guidance from good priests.  When you're in a position of such great need, I would imagine that it would be difficult to be the sole provider of that type of support to those in your flock who come to you in need of that same type of guidance.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 07:56:19 PM »
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    What, is the SSPX a club now? I thought the Church was for all men who seek salvation. The SSPX is just a religious congregation within the Catholic Church.

    Unless they wish to start their own religion, the Catholic Church already has rules for this sort of thing.

    Are those victimized by N.O. Catholic clergy to despair of salvation now?

    Give me a break.

    Now it would be imprudent to put them on a track to ordination, but I'm sure that even the modern SSPX wouldn't make that mistake.

    They want to sell out Lefebvre's mission and gain Roman recognition and all that, but I'm sure they still see the downside of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests. If nothing else, the dollar cost!


    Why can't someone who was a victim of sɛҳuąƖ abuse be ordained?  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #9 on: May 23, 2013, 07:59:30 PM »
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  • Matthew,

     I see you have answered my question already.  I think you are wrong in assuming that sɛҳuąƖ abuse victims are permanently "damaged" good.  Some will be unable to recover sufficiently to be ordained, and most will not be called to be priests, if nothing else, becasue most men are not called to be priests.  It seems presumptuous to simply assume they must be excluded from orders as if by nature, however.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #10 on: May 23, 2013, 09:35:40 PM »
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    I would add that it's been reported that a large number of those who've been sɛҳuąƖly assaulted become demonically obsessed in the aftermath.  Most will likely struggle spiritually for the rest of their lives, needing a great amount of spiritual guidance from good priests.  When you're in a position of such great need, I would imagine that it would be difficult to be the sole provider of that type of support to those in your flock who come to you in need of that same type of guidance.


    Where was this reported? Why would an innocent child be subject to demons because of a pervert's actions?


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    « Reply #11 on: May 23, 2013, 09:59:32 PM »
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    I would add that it's been reported that a large number of those who've been sɛҳuąƖly assaulted become demonically obsessed in the aftermath.  Most will likely struggle spiritually for the rest of their lives, needing a great amount of spiritual guidance from good priests.  When you're in a position of such great need, I would imagine that it would be difficult to be the sole provider of that type of support to those in your flock who come to you in need of that same type of guidance.


    Where was this reported? Why would an innocent child be subject to demons because of a pervert's actions?


    Fr. Ripperger mentions it in one of the talks in his spiritual warfare series on Sensus Traditionis.
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    « Reply #12 on: May 23, 2013, 10:10:22 PM »
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    I would add that it's been reported that a large number of those who've been sɛҳuąƖly assaulted become demonically obsessed in the aftermath.  Most will likely struggle spiritually for the rest of their lives, needing a great amount of spiritual guidance from good priests.  When you're in a position of such great need, I would imagine that it would be difficult to be the sole provider of that type of support to those in your flock who come to you in need of that same type of guidance.


    Where was this reported? Why would an innocent child be subject to demons because of a pervert's actions?


    The pervert subjects the child to the demons.  I know.  It's not fair.  But it's true.  As Jen51 said, Fr. Ripperger mentioned it in one of his spiritual warfare talks on sensus traditionis.  He was actually referring to rape victims, but I think that sɛҳuąƖ molestation of a child would qualify as well.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 23, 2013, 10:48:18 PM »
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    I would add that it's been reported that a large number of those who've been sɛҳuąƖly assaulted become demonically obsessed in the aftermath.  Most will likely struggle spiritually for the rest of their lives, needing a great amount of spiritual guidance from good priests.  When you're in a position of such great need, I would imagine that it would be difficult to be the sole provider of that type of support to those in your flock who come to you in need of that same type of guidance.


    Where was this reported? Why would an innocent child be subject to demons because of a pervert's actions?


    The pervert subjects the child to the demons.  I know.  It's not fair.  But it's true.  As Jen51 said, Fr. Ripperger mentioned it in one of his spiritual warfare talks on sensus traditionis.  He was actually referring to rape victims, but I think that sɛҳuąƖ molestation of a child would qualify as well.


    Sounds like Father Ripperger is full of it.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 23, 2013, 10:52:47 PM »
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  • The Church needs to give abuse (of every kind) victims validation and express the need for justice. I think many clergy fall short of this with telling victims it's God's will, pray for the abuser, if it's spouse they often blame the victim, things like that.

    Now children who are raped or molested are demon possessed?
    ~Tiffany