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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Valid or invalid baptism?
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2017, 04:40:49 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous on November 17, 2017, 03:06:12 PM
You are wrong.  Water can be moved across the skin in such a way that it evaporates before it moves on it's own.

You're kidding, right?
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Valid or invalid baptism?
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2017, 04:42:19 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous on November 17, 2017, 03:06:12 PM
Exactly my point, that no one can ever be completely certain that a sacrament is valid.  One can only do their best and leave the rest to God.

False.  There's a lot of borderline-insane scrupulosity among Traditional Catholics.
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Offline Nadir

Re: Valid or invalid baptism?
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2017, 04:45:54 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous on November 19, 2017, 04:19:52 PM
How can an outcome be certain when input is presumed?  Don't see it...
Mith wrote "intention" not "input". If you read what's written rather than what you think, it would help you to "see it", don't you think?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Valid or invalid baptism?
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2017, 06:07:10 PM »
Quote from: Nadir on November 19, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Mith wrote "intention" not "input". If you read what's written rather than what you think, it would help you to "see it", don't you think?

I understand what the question means.  How can VALIDITY (outcome) be certain when the elements required for validity (input) are doubtful?  It's a valid question.  I disagree that intention cannot be known so I reject this question as founded on an illegitimate premise.  But this poster has a point that the validity cannot be certain if one cannot know intention with certainty.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Valid or invalid baptism?
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2017, 09:26:22 AM »
If you take this "uncertainty" regarding the validity of Sacraments too far, people could run around their entire lives in fear and trembling, wondering whether any given Communion or Confession of theirs is valid ... or if they were validly baptized.  You can see people getting themselves conditionally baptized a couple dozen times until the probabilities are such that one of them must have been valid.
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