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Vacations are for the Worldly
« on: September 19, 2017, 03:22:42 PM »
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  • To me, vacations seems to be nothing more than a worldly pursuit, and likely sinful.  Married couple should put their effort into proving for their family, and tending to their spiritual life.  Spending money on "going somewhere" is a waste, when it could have been used to provide for the family, or donated to the Church or to the poor.  Anything else seems like an extravagance.  Plus, "going somewhere" to "see things" shows how much you care about the world instead of the spiritual life.  Tend to your spiritual life, and you will see all that needs to be seen when you die.  We have been given the perfect design for rest and relaxation - Sunday.  Refrain from work on that day, and that should be all the rest you need.

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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 03:31:49 PM »
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  • What, then, makes a pilgrimage OK?
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    I'm not saying a pilgrimage is the same as any vacation.
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    I'm just saying that I don't see how what you find objectionable about "any vacation" isn't also applicable to pilgrimages.
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    Is your faith so weak that you "need an experience?"  Are you so detached from your state of life that your local Church isn't "good enough" for you?  Is Sunday mass not already perfectly designed for your rest and relaxation?
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    Sounds to me like maybe OP's family went on vacation without him. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2017, 04:05:50 PM »
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  • When I was a child, my dad would take us camping, but now camping is not safe.

    My husband and I have been on "working" vacations: trips planned to search for a new job or a new home in a better environment. There is nothing wrong with that. After all, Abraham was called by God to seek a new livelihood and home in a country far away.

    On the other hand, "Spring" and "Summer" breaks taken by college students can be downright sinful.

    Yet, I have known college students who have spent two weeks at a monastery either discerning a religious vocation or taking a needed retreat. There is nothing wrong with those kinds of vocations either. In fact, that is the best form of vacation as it renews the spirit and soul.


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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 04:11:48 PM »
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  • What, then, makes a pilgrimage OK?
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    I'm not saying a pilgrimage is the same as any vacation.
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    I'm just saying that I don't see how what you find objectionable about "any vacation" isn't also applicable to pilgrimages.
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    Is your faith so weak that you "need an experience?"  Are you so detached from your state of life that your local Church isn't "good enough" for you?  Is Sunday mass not already perfectly designed for your rest and relaxation?
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    Sounds to me like maybe OP's family went on vacation without him.
    Pilgrimages are for spiritual development, and would certainly be OK.  Vacations are taken for worldly reasons.  To compare the two is nothing short of stupidity.

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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 08:25:38 PM »
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  • When I was a child, my dad would take us camping, but now camping is not safe.

    My husband and I have been on "working" vacations: trips planned to search for a new job or a new home in a better environment. There is nothing wrong with that. After all, Abraham was called by God to seek a new livelihood and home in a country far away.

    On the other hand, "Spring" and "Summer" breaks taken by college students can be downright sinful.

    Yet, I have known college students who have spent two weeks at a monastery either discerning a religious vocation or taking a needed retreat. There is nothing wrong with those kinds of vocations either. In fact, that is the best form of vacation as it renews the spirit and soul.
    Why is camping not safe?  If you're traveling, it's the cheapest overnight available!


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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 11:48:07 PM »
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  • Why is camping not safe?  If you're traveling, it's the cheapest overnight available!
    Here in California, there are criminals who stalk camping grounds. RV camping is safer, but using a tent is not.

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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 11:49:32 PM »
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  • Here in California, there are criminals who stalk camping grounds. RV camping is safer, but using a tent is not.
    You're in the biggest state. Criminals won't find you.

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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #7 on: September 20, 2017, 01:35:10 AM »
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  • To me, vacations seems to be nothing more than a worldly pursuit, and likely sinful.  Married couple should put their effort into proving for their family, and tending to their spiritual life.  Spending money on "going somewhere" is a waste, when it could have been used to provide for the family, or donated to the Church or to the poor.  Anything else seems like an extravagance.  Plus, "going somewhere" to "see things" shows how much you care about the world instead of the spiritual life.  Tend to your spiritual life, and you will see all that needs to be seen when you die.  We have been given the perfect design for rest and relaxation - Sunday.  Refrain from work on that day, and that should be all the rest you need.

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    For me, this is another example of taking faith and religious observance too far. Are you suggesting that folk work for 52 weeks of the year, and only ever take Sundays off? I know there is a different attitude to vacation time in the US compared with Europe, but even with that cultural difference, never taking a vacation seems quite extreme. It may work out ok for you, but it certainly wouldn't for me.
    I have an annual paid vacation entitlement of 35 days, plus set public holidays (of which there are 12 per annum). I don't go away every time I take holidays from work, but I do try to have one holiday a year. 
    When I was a kid, my Dad always took us on holiday for 2 weeks in July. Mostly these trips were here in Ireland, and as well as my parents and 3 siblings, my Grandmother always came with us. Some of my happiest childhood memories are from these family holidays. They were quality family time, away from the everyday stresses of school/college or work. 
    From I started school until I left home for university (which was 14 years. For kids planning to go to university here in Ireland & the UK, you must have 14 years of school  - 7 in 'primary school' and 7 in grammar school) my Dad worked 2 jobs to earn enough money to support us. I would see him briefly early in the morning before he left for work, and then again briefly in the evening before bed, and he worked most Saturday mornings too. So throughout the year, Saturday afternoon/evening and all day Sunday were when I saw my Dad. So vacation time from work was very very important for us as a family, as it allowed us to spend much needed quality time together.
    My folks must have done something right in how they raised us. My 3 siblings and I each speak to them at least once every day. I see them several times a week, and I have a much better relationship with my parents than any of my close friends have with theirs. In part I think that is because of the bonding and shared experiences we had on vacation.
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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 04:38:53 AM »
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  • To me, vacations seems to be nothing more than a worldly pursuit, and likely sinful.  Married couple should put their effort into proving for their family, and tending to their spiritual life.  Spending money on "going somewhere" is a waste, when it could have been used to provide for the family, or donated to the Church or to the poor.  Anything else seems like an extravagance.  Plus, "going somewhere" to "see things" shows how much you care about the world instead of the spiritual life.  Tend to your spiritual life, and you will see all that needs to be seen when you die.  We have been given the perfect design for rest and relaxation - Sunday.  Refrain from work on that day, and that should be all the rest you need.

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    I generally don't see the need for anonymity. But if I ever got a hankering to post such Puritanical horse$#!+, I probably wouldn't have the guts to put my name on it either.
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    Re: Vacations are for the Worldly
    « Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 11:07:47 AM »
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  • I've been blessed to be able to live on a small family farm in the country side hundreds of miles from the nearest metropolitan area. Work and leisure seem to be seamless, henceforth vacations tend to be of a lesser necessasity for my family and me...


    Taken from The Catechism Explained pg. 356

    The Relaxations Permitted to the Christian.

     
     1. It is lawful for those who work to seek relaxation, for this is a means of renewing one’s strength after one’s work is done.
     
     The bow never unspanned will break; and the man who works without cessation will become unfit for work. Social convivialities are productive of much good; they promote charity and concord. It is God’s will that we should enjoy recreation; He has provided us
     with pleasures in nature alone; the beauteous coloring, the delicious perfume of the flowers; the song of birds, the various kinds of fruit, etc. Our Lord Himself was a guest at banquets, even at a marriage feast, and He speaks without disapproval of music, etc. (Luke xv. 25).