Author Topic: Urban vs Rural residence and chapel attendance (Read 3507 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2022, 07:34:55 PM »

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Änσnymσus · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2022, 07:41:25 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 07:11:02 PM

It isn’t “Catholic” to sell off property like that. Lets be honest: a deal with unholy Rome was made. Silence is sin. Sins are to be corrected. Being accomplice to sin isn’t Catholic.

Every town should have a Catholic Church. It used to be that way until Vatican II. That’s how to make a Catholic presence known is a Catholic chapel in every town, village and city. It used to be that way a part of a community. To listen to Mass with your neighbors instead of strangers you see only on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation. The parish priest used to be seen in town too. He was stationed at a rectory in town not hundreds of miles away.

Oh, I agree, but what can you do sue the SSPX? Petition modernist Rome? Call Fr. Fullerton(he’s the one signing off on these deals).

Yes, the SSPX is trying to make themselves more attractive to Rome by building these large chapels, and if they lose parishioners because of it, so be it. Rember post-COVID, most SSPX chapels are filled with Novus Ordo refuges.

I have an older lady whose SSPX chapel was closed during COVID and can’t travel 80 + miles back and forth. She hasn’t been to mass in more than two years.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2022, 08:19:33 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 07:41:25 PM

Oh, I agree, but what can you do sue the SSPX? Petition modernist Rome? Call Fr. Fullerton(he’s the one signing off on these deals).

Yes, the SSPX is trying to make themselves more attractive to Rome by building these large chapels, and if they lose parishioners because of it, so be it. Rember post-COVID, most SSPX chapels are filled with Novus Ordo refuges.

I have an older lady whose SSPX chapel was closed during COVID and can’t travel 80 + miles back and forth. She hasn’t been to mass in more than two years.

I think this is becoming more and more common.

Matthew · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2022, 10:31:10 PM »

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It isn’t “Catholic” to sell off property like that. Lets be honest: a deal with unholy Rome was made. Silence is sin. Sins are to be corrected. Being accomplice to sin isn’t Catholic.

Every town should have a Catholic Church. It used to be that way until Vatican II. That’s how to make a Catholic presence known is a Catholic chapel in every town, village and city. It used to be that way a part of a community. To listen to Mass with your neighbors instead of strangers you see only on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation. The parish priest used to be seen in town too. He was stationed at a rectory in town not hundreds of miles away.

Completely with you on the first paragraph. Totally lost me on the second.

For your idealistic "pre-Vatican II" world to come about, the Crisis in the Church would have to end. I speak for all Trads when I say that we WISH the Crisis in the Church would end. The Crisis in the Church wasn't our idea! We're only trying to survive -- with our families -- with our souls and eternal salvation intact. But thus far, God has not answered that particular prayer to restore the Church to glory and purge the Modernist contagion. If the Church were the life of Our Lord, it would be about 3 PM on Good Friday right now. We await a glorious Easter, which is as certain as it is out of our grasp for the moment.

But short of that, you won't have neighbors at your Trad Chapel, nor a Trad priest stationed in every city. That's a pipe dream considering the Crisis in the Church, and I hope you realize that.

Matthew · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2022, 10:38:18 PM »

Talking about "making a Catholic presence known" in every city -- that's not economical or feasible in a Crisis/remnant/catacombs situation like we're in today.
Heck, with your argument here, it would be appropriate to build "Monuments" during this Crisis, as the SSPX is doing in St. Marys, KS and Dillwyn, VA with their new Seminary. Make ourselves known and talked about. Make the papers. Get on the news.

It makes more sense to take care of the Faithful in a practical way, and forget about "advertising". You can't do that in a time of Crisis; it's just not feasible. There are only so many priests, so many hours in a Sunday, so many Faithful, and so many dollars the Faithful can spare above their bare minimum living expenses. Each of those things is finite. So it's a zero-sum game. 100 million dollars spent on a "monument" is 100 million dollars that COULD have been spent elsewhere. The Faithful only produce so much "milk" per week, per month. The cow only produces so much milk per day. 100 cows only produce X amount. If you waste a bunch of milk, you will have less for other things.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #20 on:** July 14, 2022, 06:55:36 AM »

$50 million could have purchased $1 million chapels in 50 states ... when Winona was perfectly fine and 1-2 million could have added plenty of additional room.

Some of the best priests SSPX ever had in the US were formed at that tiny facility in Ridgefield, CT.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #21 on:** July 14, 2022, 06:59:32 AM »

Another attitude implicit in the SSPX building of these grand monuments ... is that the Crisis is not a temporary aberration that will be remedied by God, but is really a "New Normal" that will drag on indefinitely. If you believe that the Crisis will end in the not-TOO-distance future, and that the Church will be restored, the Conciliar Church is in possession of tremendous amounts of property, large seminary facilities in most dioceses, and most large cities in formerly-somewhat-Catholic areas have many dozen beautiful churches, many of which could not be reproduced today at any cost. These will be restored to Catholic use when God ends the Crisis, so why the need for a $50 million national seminary?

2Vermont · « **Reply #22 on:** July 14, 2022, 07:00:28 AM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 07:11:02 PM

Every town should have a Catholic Church. It used to be that way until Vatican II. That’s how to make a Catholic presence known is a Catholic chapel in every town, village and city. It used to be that way a part of a community. To listen to Mass with your neighbors instead of strangers you see only on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation. The parish priest used to be seen in town too. He was stationed at a rectory in town not hundreds of miles away.

I never really experienced that....even when my NO church was down the road. It sounds heavenly.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #23 on:** July 16, 2022, 03:02:59 AM »

I couldn’t vote because there’s no choice that fits my situation. I live in a very rural area and stay home alone not by choice. I’m just thankful I have a homey place to live. I used to be able to get to Mass occasionally, in an urban area, absolute worst part of the city so far as crime and poverty. The problem was that it entailed a four hour drive one way. I could follow Mass but could not understand the sermon or go to Confession except when the elderly priest was there who spoke English. Now, that chapel is off limits because I’m not allowed into the country without the vaccine for Covid. There’s an Indult Mass about 4 1/2 hour’s drive, but the price of gas has basically priced me out. I’m on a fixed income and have been limiting my trips to town, 21 miles, to once a month. I’m a bit wary of the Indult, anyhow.

Matthew · « **Reply #24 on:** July 16, 2022, 03:30:51 AM »

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Another attitude implicit in the SSPX building of these grand monuments ... is that the Crisis is not a temporary aberration that will be remedied by God, but is really a "New Normal" that will drag on indefinitely. If you believe that the Crisis will end in the not-TOO-distance future, and that the Church will be restored, the Conciliar Church is in possession of tremendous amounts of property, large seminary facilities in most dioceses, and most large cities in formerly-somewhat-Catholic areas have many dozen beautiful churches, many of which could not be reproduced today at any cost. These will be restored to Catholic use when God ends the Crisis, so why the need for a $50 million national seminary?

Great insight! I never thought of that.

It definitely shows impatience, a certain level of "giving up" on God as it were. Imagine trying to forcefully take the wheel from Him as the two of you drive in a car.
Would that be blasphemous? Of course. But it's the reality. You can't "give up" on trusting in God, "letting" Him be in control of times and dates. We must submit ourselves to His infinitely wise and holy will.

Bp. Fellay has revealed his thinking in the past: he worries that if the Crisis goes on "too long", we'll all end up schismatic like the Orthodox or Old Catholics. He's completely lost the plot.

And so, he is trying to fix the Crisis himself by negotiation, planning for "the long haul" in case God doesn't come through for him and take away the sting of persecution and rejection from the Conciliar Church, trying to make a comfortable life for himself (and his friends) in case the Crisis lasts any longer, etc.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #25 on:** July 16, 2022, 04:26:39 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on July 14, 2022, 07:00:28 AM

I never really experienced that....even when my NO church was down the road. It sounds heavenly.

It was heavenly to grow up in a mostly Catholic town until evil took over. The faith watered down, Women going into work, divorce, welfare, kids running streets, sex abuse by priests, drugs, alcoholism, corrupt Catholic politicians, church closings, high taxes, anti social non Christian opportunists dumped into once Catholic neighborhoods with help of Catholic charities.

Even nearby cities were once Catholic with tight communities, businesses and family with not much crime compared to the present day.

Nadir · « **Reply #26 on:** July 16, 2022, 06:12:10 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on July 14, 2022, 07:00:28 AM

I never really experienced that....even when my NO church was down the road. It sounds heavenly.

It is hard to imagine if you did not experience the difference. Certain posters scoff at the immediately pre vatican 2 parish. But it is an experience that I am very grateful for. Six Masses packed on Sunday, Perpetual Succour novena after dinner on Wednesdays, schoolchildren paying visits to Jesus after school, teenage girls anabashed as they walked to the Children of Mary sodality Mass in their Mary-blue cloaks, men proudly displaying their Holy Name badge, etc. etc.

Lois Einhorn · « **Reply #27 on:** July 16, 2022, 03:09:13 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 09:41:40 AM

Or die martyrs...

Nope. That's not even Biblical. Read my comment, again, and see the operate word "most". The Bible and Christ, Himself, say that most people will be damned so that means they'll die ugly, too. They won't have a happy death but even if some do, it really doesn't matter as they will spend eternity in hell. Only a few will be saved, and only they can die martyrs.

Try reading the Bible.

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