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Offline FarmerWife

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Re: Unsure what to do
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2025, 06:07:52 PM »
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  • Do you think there is a misunderstanding somewhere?

    The OP just sounds like a man who has a lot of thoughts weighing on his shoulder when it comes to his future.  And the cards really seem to be stacked against a traditional Catholic white male.

    The posts are anonymous, so you don't really know who is saying what.

    If the OP does not have family to teach him the Catholic way, then he has to come to CI or other places on the internet.  Why do people see the worst in people all the time?  Do we not trust God anymore?  Do we not trust our Guardian Angels?  Do we not trust the Sacraments?  Has the media fed us a bill of goods that even true Catholics can't seem to rise above?

    Don't you think your comment was a bit presumptive and harsh?  You didn't even specify what exactly you were trying to teach your children.  What exactly in this conversation is so offensive?
    I agree, that comment seems prideful. Besides, it's not up to this person as to who their daughter chooses for marriage. Some things are better not said aloud.

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #46 on: June 09, 2025, 07:32:13 PM »
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  • I'm gonna be very honest.

    It is currently not looking good at all for any guys making under.. 100k 
    Some men will never make this amount yearly though. Are they just supposed to not marry?


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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #47 on: June 09, 2025, 07:48:41 PM »
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  • Some men will never make this amount yearly though. Are they just supposed to not marry?
    I don't know what the solution is. 

    Unless we find a lot of women willing to live below their "means", all I know is that it's gonna be a trial the wife will have to be willing to put up with. A lot, wont, and won't admit that they won't.

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #48 on: June 09, 2025, 07:56:36 PM »
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  • I don't know what the solution is.

    Unless we find a lot of women willing to live below their "means", all I know is that it's gonna be a trial the wife will have to be willing to put up with. A lot, wont, and won't admit that they won't.
    Well, as with most things, it might have to be taken in baby steps. However, part of the solution might just lie in your comment. A good first baby step might be encouraging women to be honest with how much financial uncertainty they would be willing to endure in a relationship, and if that was affected at all by the quality of the man they would pursue a relationship with.

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #49 on: June 09, 2025, 09:34:37 PM »
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  • I don't know what the solution is.

    Unless we find a lot of women willing to live below their "means", all I know is that it's gonna be a trial the wife will have to be willing to put up with. A lot, wont, and won't admit that they won't.
    There are 2 solutions (really 1 if both are applied)
    1. Marrying an older man
    2. Living in poverty/below/within means
    If a man works hard in his youth, even in this economy he can have a house paid off by the time he is 35/40. This is similar to Aristotle's time (though the reason of the circuмstance is slightly different).
    If he wants to home school (and I highly recommend it) then he really can't afford to be paying a loan, having a house and no debt is very important. This also means the woman should not have a loan either, though a young lady most likely would not have started extra schooling and even if she did her debt would be small.
    Of course you now have a problem. Most girls do not want an age gap too large. 3-5 years seems to be considered normal for people nowadays unless you happen to look young as a guy.
    So if she is in her teens or 20s she may not be pleased with marrying a guy in his mid 30s to early 40s. While the Father of Saint Pope Pius 10th was ~22 years older than his wife, the world has changed and most people may not lime such a gap, even if the circuмstances require it for most people to get married.
    Also most men who will go bald, will have significant balding or complete baldness by that age, which is another factor. So the age and hair factor will also make the ladies less happy with their options.
    Of course if you want a women to understand the importance of working just get her to work full time in retail or hospitality for a few months, then she will appreciate the opportunity of being a full time wife and mother. And if you make her work a harb labour job for a while that will also make it pretty apparent. Being a housewife might have it's difficulties but it's much more fulfilling and loving and not soul crushing like waging.
    As for women who are 30+, this is difficult because from 30-35 she can have children, but it's just much harder and you won't be having a large family, and 35+ is considered a geriatric pregnancy meaning there is significant risk.
    The woman may feel like she is getting a raw deal by marrying a much older man, but he may still be able to be in shape and have good hygiene+grooming which can help. Though in hard economies like this there are few options.
    The man may feel like his getting a raw deal if he marries a women past 30 since he has had to slave away every day with little incentive, no love or comfort, just the hope he may one day get to marry a lovely lady and have a family. Infact he may be unwilling to marry a woman over 30 simply due to the risk of having no children. His own fertility is already significantly in decline so breeding with an older woman is only going to increase the risk, at least a young woman can offset his lower fertility with her prime fertility.
    Both sides have it hard, if people wish to get married they will need to be realistic and make some sacrifices.


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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #50 on: June 09, 2025, 11:28:05 PM »
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  • You're not that old and you don't have to own a house free and clear just to get married.

    However, let me just say that if you have your running list of reasons as to why you're not going to go talk to the Catholic girl, don't toss that list out the window just because some secular girl smiles at you.

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #51 on: June 10, 2025, 03:38:16 AM »
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  • The only issue is that there is a Catholic girl I like who is unvaxxed, and frankly more attractive than this secular girl, however she is only a few years older.

    But, I don't know if she likes me, and since I'm a big bad feeneynite I don't think she will accept for or her parents may not like me because of my strong beliefs.y
    Women are chameleons. If things work out between you, she will also become a "big bad feeneyite". There is no need to wait forever for the girl who matches all your beliefs. 

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #52 on: June 10, 2025, 05:02:59 AM »
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  • You're not that old and you don't have to own a house free and clear just to get married.

    However, let me just say that if you have your running list of reasons as to why you're not going to go talk to the Catholic girl, don't toss that list out the window just because some secular girl smiles at you.
    It's not that I dont want to talk to her, it's that doing so would require me to go to the indult, or rather hang around the indult while they are in 'mass'. And what would I say to her? "Want to be my girlfriend?", it just seems weird to me. At least if I was financially capable I would have a reason to go and see her.

    Women are chameleons. If things work out between you, she will also become a "big bad feeneyite". There is no need to wait forever for the girl who matches all your beliefs.
    I agree with you and thank you for your statement, I sometimes need to hear it instead of getting stuck in my own thoughts. 

    As it stands I am just going to wait until she comes again to my chapel, and if she doesn't show up until I am financially ready I will then go see her and hope that she waited for me. Of course that doesn't mean she is the right person for me if she doesn't meet certain criteria that I have for women. So far she meets one of them (unvaxxed).


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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #53 on: June 10, 2025, 10:26:14 PM »
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  • You snooze, you lose. 

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #54 on: June 10, 2025, 10:40:08 PM »
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    Whatsoever shall befall the just man. it shall not make him sad: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief.

    [Proverbs 12:21]
    OP you should at least try talking to people at your chapel who know her. Maybe they can contact her for you? Otherwise go visit her before it's too late, lest you lose her like this guy is implying.
    You snooze, you lose.
    Even if she rejects you just accept it as God's will.
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    the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away: as it hath pleased the Lord so is it done: blessed be the name of the Lord.
    [Job 1:21]
    You might be very anxious and nervous about going to see her in fear of being rejected, but it's better to get rejected upfront than see she found another because you waited too long.

    What does Cathinfo think? Should OP go muster up the courage to talk to her? Even if he isn't ready for marriage?

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #55 on: June 10, 2025, 10:54:27 PM »
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  • Don't be tentative. That turns a woman off. Take action, and life doesn't wait around for you to be ready or in a better position to act. Nobody is ever fully ready for anything, so if you're waiting until you feel you're fully ready to act, then you'll be waiting while life passes you by.


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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #56 on: June 11, 2025, 06:58:39 AM »
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  • Don't be tentative. That turns a woman off. Take action, and life doesn't wait around for you to be ready or in a better position to act. Nobody is ever fully ready for anything, so if you're waiting until you feel you're fully ready to act, then you'll be waiting while life passes you by.
    I agree, but doing this when you are CLEARY not ready to be married financially/temporally is not prudent.

    Who knows, maybe her family has money. lol

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #57 on: June 11, 2025, 11:34:20 AM »
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  • Women are chameleons. If things work out between you, she will also become a "big bad feeneyite". There is no need to wait forever for the girl who matches all your beliefs.

    This.

    There is a great Star Trek TNG episode called "The Perfect Mate" that explains women perfectly.

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #58 on: June 11, 2025, 04:54:24 PM »
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  • OP here, I first met this girl just over 4 months ago. At that time she suggested for me to come to the indult. She also started university this year so I am worried she has forgotten about me or found someone else.

    I was originally going to wait for the next time she came to my chapel believing it to be more proper and scandalous if I went to hang around the indult but this week I have been very restless, it's been especially painful, I don't think I can wait any longer. I am going to go see her this Sunday, I just don't know what mass time she goes to. So I will go to my earliest mass option for my Sunday obligation then wait around the courtyard of the indult, hopefully she is there and hopefully she hasn't forgotten about me.

    I regret not getting her contact details when I met her but I didn't understand what I was feeling until she left.

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    Re: Unsure what to do
    « Reply #59 on: June 11, 2025, 04:59:43 PM »
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  • OP here, I first met this girl just over 4 months ago. At that time she suggested for me to come to the indult. She also started university this year so I am worried she has forgotten about me or found someone else.

    I was originally going to wait for the next time she came to my chapel believing it to be more proper and scandalous if I went to hang around the indult but this week I have been very restless, it's been especially painful, I don't think I can wait any longer. I am going to go see her this Sunday, I just don't know what mass time she goes to. So I will go to my earliest mass option for my Sunday obligation then wait around the courtyard of the indult, hopefully she is there and hopefully she hasn't forgotten about me.

    I regret not getting her contact details when I met her but I didn't understand what I was feeling until she left.
    Prayers for you.  Please let us know how it turns out.