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Two questions
« on: October 17, 2017, 04:27:28 PM »
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  •  a) if a woman is raped, whose fault is it?

    B) is aborting a fetus conceived in rape good or bad? 


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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 04:31:08 PM »
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  • a) if a woman is raped, whose fault is it?

    B) is aborting a fetus conceived in rape good or bad?
    C) a third, actually. how would you react if a spouse or daughter decided to abort their child?


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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 04:41:15 PM »
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  • a)  It is the fault of the man who committed the rape.  I don't buy the argument that a woman's provocative dress induced a rape though it may very well induce other sins--it doesn't induce rape.  

    b)  Aborting a child is always wrong.  Remember that everyone involved in procuring an abortion is also automatically excommunicated.

    c)  I don't know how I would react, but I would be very disappointed.  I would also know that I would bear some responsibility for not teaching the Catholic faith well enough to my daughter or wife.

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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 05:02:54 PM »
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  • C) a third, actually. how would you react if a spouse or daughter decided to abort their child?
    A) The rapist's.
    B) "Bad" is an understatement. 
    C) I don't know a more gentle and yet honest way to say it so I'll just say it; the same as I would to any other murderer who is also someone that I'm responsible for and love. I'd pray for them, but I certainly wouldn't live with them or, horror of horrors, sleep next to them in the instance that they were a spouse.

    If they're going to murder their own child, then what aren't they capable of?

     Also:
     1. it isn't just "their" child.
     2. as you have stated that someone can "abort" a child, then how would you react if I "aborted" someone that you cared about, and were responsible for, including being a cause for their being?

    So, why do you ask?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 05:31:59 PM »
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  • A) The rapist's.
    B) "Bad" is an understatement.
    C) I don't know a more gentle and yet honest way to say it so I'll just say it; the same as I would to any other murderer who is also someone that I'm responsible for and love. I'd pray for them, but I certainly wouldn't live with them or, horror of horrors, sleep next to them in the instance that they were a spouse.

    If they're going to murder their own child, then what aren't they capable of?

     Also:
     1. it isn't just "their" child.
     2. as you have stated that someone can "abort" a child, then how would you react if I "aborted" someone that you cared about, and were responsible for, including being a cause for their being?

    So, why do you ask?
    A) Good answer, DZ. The rapist can be a man or a woman. Whoever seduces and/or forces the rape bears the greatest fault.
    B) Murder is a serious mortal sin. Furthermore, the murderer(ess) cannot take for granted that he/she will be granted the grace of repentance, nor that they will be granted absolution. If a priest detects that a penitent is not sorry, how can he absolve that person? This happened in a parish I used to belong to. The girl who was not repentant and who was refused absolution told horrible lies about the priest.
    C) My husband and I would be in tears if our daughter-in-law or one of our three granddaughters ever decided to abort one of our grandchildren or one of our great grand children. That is a very real possibility as they are not very religious and have told me that they do not pray night prayers. Hint. Hint. They do not want us to pray with them. However, I would still love and pray for their salvation and for that of the unborn child.
    Please pray for them that they may be saved.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 07:23:44 PM »
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  • C) a third, actually. how would you react if a spouse or daughter decided to abort their child?
    A) the rapist.  
    B) abortion is never acceptable in any circuмstances. 
    C) I would be very disappointed and feel a lot of guilt that I had not taught her well enough or supported her. 

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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 08:50:22 PM »
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  • surprised these questions were even asked on a Catholic forum

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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 01:29:32 AM »
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  • Not surprised the reason "why" wasn't given. It's already in the "anonymous" section, and is framed such that it could either be personal, or another Antichrist of whatever "flavor" doing their mill-grinding s*^t stir ala "Spamtifa".
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 07:19:36 PM »
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  • I don't buy the argument that a woman's provocative dress induced a rape though it may very well induce other sins--it doesn't induce rape.
    What other sins does it induce?
    And why do you think immodesty plays no role in causing rape?
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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2017, 03:17:33 PM »
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  • What other sins does it induce?
    And why do you think immodesty plays no role in causing rape?
    Lust.  But I think you knew that.
    I didn't say it plays "no role".  I said that the fault belongs with the perpetrator.  In any event, in those cases that are publicized, I've seen exceedingly few cases in which the victim was a lady whose immodest dress could possibly have inspired such lustful feelings in a man so as to drive him mad with sɛҳuąƖ desire.  

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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2017, 03:18:11 PM »
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  • Lust.  But I think you knew that.

    I didn't say it plays "no role".  I said that the fault belongs with the perpetrator.  In any event, in those cases that are publicized, I've seen exceedingly few cases in which the victim was a lady whose immodest dress could possibly have inspired such lustful feelings in a man so as to drive him mad with sɛҳuąƖ desire.  
    Forgot this was in the anonymous forum.


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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2017, 03:31:25 PM »
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  • The initiator ain't the device.

    If I leave a burning match in vacant lot, it isn't likely to do much; if I leave it next to something close to flash...

    Yes yes, the analogy falls short as all do, as inanimates aren't moral agents.
    Tedious "anonymous" section....
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #12 on: October 22, 2017, 03:35:40 PM »
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  • As Adam blamed Eve, and as Eve blamed the serpent, so mankind continues to blame others for his own failings.

    Man was created to praise, bless, and glorify his Creator, Jesus Christ.

    If mankind were doing what he was created to do, and if he were ever mindful of the Presence of God, lust would not be a problem.

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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #13 on: October 22, 2017, 03:42:08 PM »
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  • As Adam blamed Eve, and as Eve blamed the serpent, so mankind continues to blame others for his own failings.

    Man was created to praise, bless, and glorify his Creator, Jesus Christ.

    If mankind were doing what he was created to do, and if he were ever mindful of the Presence of God, lust would not be a problem.
    Was man created to do so anonymously?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Two questions
    « Reply #14 on: October 22, 2017, 04:21:06 PM »
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  • As Adam blamed Eve, and as Eve blamed the serpent, so mankind continues to blame others for his own failings.

    Man was created to praise, bless, and glorify his Creator, Jesus Christ.

    If mankind were doing what he was created to do, and if he were ever mindful of the Presence of God, lust would not be a problem.
    Sorry, forgot the NOT ANONYMOUS square.
    Coincidental with this post, I cracked open three eggs for my husband, and all three were double yokes.
    May the Holy Trinity be blessed, glorified, and praised throughout all the ages. Amen.