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Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
« on: January 05, 2017, 01:21:44 PM »
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  • I cannot get books on why the novus ordo mass is wrong

    so could you please give me (us) the basics on why it is so bad?

    I do not feel Jesus has abandoned the RC Church. I feel that most priests have probably jumped ship, but not Jesus

    thanks


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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #1 on: January 05, 2017, 01:29:14 PM »
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  • Because the Novus Ordo "mass" is The Great Sacrilege
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 01:47:40 PM »
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  • Just a very brief Snip on the basics why it's so bad.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 10:26:39 PM »
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  • Work of Human Hands by Fr. Cekada. He is sedevacantist, but he doesn't go into that in the book. I am not sedevacantist either, but it is a very good book.

    He sells it here: http://sggresources.org/products/work-of-human-hands-by-rev-anthony-cekada

    It is the 2nd edition on his site, which is unavailable on Amazon. They shipped it to me pretty fast.

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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 12:02:57 AM »
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  • It seems to me that a very important point regarding what's wrong with the Novus Ordo liturgy is the following:

    The highest act of any religion is ritual sacrifice. It's something that all serious religions share, and it has been a key aspect of God's will for religious worship since the dawn of time. Abel's sacrifice was acceptable, and Cain's sacrifice was not acceptable. Abraham obediently proceeded to sacrifice his son Isaac (the Moslems erroneously say "Ishmael"), who was a figure of Our Lord in the Old Testament, but he was restrained from finishing the deed by the intervention of an angel.

    Until the time of Christ, the Temple in Jerusalem was the site of thousands of animal sacrifices each year, with specific rules for what kind and how many on each day of the year. There were laws for 4 different kinds of sacrifice and very specific rules on what was to be done, how it was to be done, how often, and so forth. Several times when the rule at hand was broken immediate and severe reprimand came from heaven directly on the perpetrators.  God was not playing games.

    This serious business of preparing for the ultimate sacrifice, the Crucifixion of Our Lord, was precise and religiously exacting in the highest regard. And the Sacred Traditions of the Church in regards to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass has been in the context of this precision and excellence of history.

    Then along came Vatican II and the abomination of the Newmass in its wake (the Council Fathers would never have approved the conspicuous abandonment of Tradition the Newmass contains, and therefore they had to take another 4 years to "phase it in").

    The most egregious shortcoming of the Newmass is its REMOVAL of any reference to "sacrifice" out of appeasement to the Protestants.  Never before in the history of the Church has an important aspect of our worship been removed to avoid offending heretics.

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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 10:06:59 AM »
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    I cannot get books on why the novus ordo mass is wrong

    so could you please give me (us) the basics on why it is so bad?

    I do not feel Jesus has abandoned the RC Church. I feel that most priests have probably jumped ship, but not Jesus

    thanks


    Because it doesn't represent centuries of tradition, it represents modern, fallible, banal, sinful man.

    If there were no Vatican II, you would have guitars, altar girls and vernacular comedian-priests in the Tridentine Mass. You can thank Dom Prosper and the Bugnini crowd.

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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 04:32:27 PM »
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    Work of Human Hands by Fr. Cekada. He is sedevacantist, but he doesn't go into that in the book. I am not sedevacantist either, but it is a very good book.

    He sells it here: http://sggresources.org/products/work-of-human-hands-by-rev-anthony-cekada

    It is the 2nd edition on his site, which is unavailable on Amazon. They shipped it to me pretty fast.
    thank you. I hope to be checking it out

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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 04:34:58 PM »
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    It seems to me that a very important point regarding what's wrong with the Novus Ordo liturgy is the following:

    The highest act of any religion is ritual sacrifice.


    i have heard the word Sacrifice used @ Mass, so not sure all Churches are as you say

    and personally i never could u/stand the importance or significance or whatever of animal sacrifice.. I know Jesus had to pay the price for our sins b/c we humans cannot

    But animal sacrifice.. i guess was just a fore-runner of Christ's..


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    « Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 04:37:51 PM »
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    Because the Novus Ordo "mass" is The Great Sacrilege


    i dont have time to read all that, but thanks. i will probably try again later to copy/paste the parts i need. I already know about the Mass .. its importance, etc.. dont need that part

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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 04:40:59 PM »
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    I cannot get books on why the novus ordo mass is wrong

    so could you please give me (us) the basics on why it is so bad?

    I do not feel Jesus has abandoned the RC Church. I feel that most priests have probably jumped ship, but not Jesus

    thanks


    Because it doesn't represent centuries of tradition, it represents modern, fallible, banal, sinful man.

    If there were no Vatican II, you would have guitars, altar girls and vernacular comedian-priests in the Tridentine Mass. You can thank Dom Prosper and the Bugnini crowd.


    i dont like all the stupid changes, but I know that Jesus is still in the RCC, albeit .. marginally? except at the Holy Mass, that is

    in any case--wow, forgot what i was going to say.. kinda stressed right now.. a lot on my mind.

    oh, i remember: Jesus said that He would build HIs Church and the very gates of Hell (all that Satan could throw at it) would not prevail against it (Mt 16:18)

    and of course i believe that, so even though i am attracted to the Tridentine and would go if i could, i know that Jesus is there in the other Churches (along w/ the devil... so it seems.. but the devil and his minions are everywhere)

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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 04:49:20 PM »
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    Because the Novus Ordo "mass" is The Great Sacrilege


    i dont have time to read all that, but thanks. i will probably try again later to copy/paste the parts i need. I already know about the Mass .. its importance, etc.. dont need that part


    All I can say is that, if you truly want to save your soul, make the time.  If you have time to post on CathInfo, you have time to read a couple of pages a day.

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    i dont like all the stupid changes, but I know that Jesus is still in the RCC...


    Of course Jesus is still in the Roman Catholic Church, you're just not going to find the Roman Catholic Church in the Novus Ordo or Conciliar establishment.


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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 06:29:33 PM »
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  • Because there is NO PRECIOUS BLOOD!  There is no sacrifice.  Ordination, Holy Orders is not a sacrament, changed.  Again no Precious Blood.

    Why go to emptiness?  No one, Father, Son or Holy Ghost is there and that includes Mary.  

    I know some people who go to FSSP because it looks reverent.  No Precious Blood is there.  You get nothing!

    If Precious Blood  and Ordination is not important to you, then you are missing the whole reason why Christ died on the cross and His blood continues.

    Chapter 12 of Daniel says that the continual Sacrifice will come to an end.  Read the Douay Rheim commentaries.  

    What we are experiencing is the ending of the continual Mass.

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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #12 on: January 07, 2017, 02:12:38 AM »
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    Because the Novus Ordo "mass" is The Great Sacrilege


    i dont have time to read all that, but thanks. i will probably try again later to copy/paste the parts i need. I already know about the Mass .. its importance, etc.. dont need that part


    If you don't have time to read the perfect answer to your question, why are  you wasting time asking it? Stubborn got 5 upthumbs for his answer so obviously 5 others agree with him and I haven't up thumbed him yet. You are wasting others's time as well. You really don't want an answer, do you?
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    « Reply #13 on: January 07, 2017, 04:10:47 AM »
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  • I became Catholic to worship God the best way that a human being could.  Not to revert back to playing Protestant, as the Novus Ordo does.  

    If I want to flirt with Protestantism, I can just go back to being a Baptist.  
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    Traditionalists: explain why you reject novus ordo Mass
    « Reply #14 on: January 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM »
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  • I have been to hundreds of Novus Ordo Masses in my life and hundreds of Traditional Latin Masses, almost all of them Low Masses. There is no comparison in my opinion. The Latin Mass is so obviously superior and the Novus Ordo is a sick joke from the nineteen-sixties. And I don't know Latin and I don't use a missal so I do not know what the priest is saying except for a few of the prayers like "Introibo ad altare Dei", "Dominus Vobiscuм", the "Confiteor", "Agnus Dei" and others. The Latin Mass is far superior and far more beautiful and I am talking about Low Masses that are far more beautiful because I have only been to a few High Masses. The Novus Ordo is ugly and boring. And that is without going into the questions of whether or not the Novus Ordo is valid, whether or not it is sacriligious, all of the abuses that take place in the Novus Ordo, and other issues. What would you expect? The Novus Ordo was created by a satanist freemason.
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