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Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
« on: August 16, 2022, 12:30:02 AM »
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  • Ha ha. ha ha. ha ha. I'm sure everyone has some criticism to offer. Nor am I saying this man or this idea is beyond criticism. But seriously, give it a listen just for fun. It's way better than I thought it would be. By the way E-Knock is short for Eternity Knocks.



    In one of his other songs, he tells modern kids to put the phones down, do something hard for a change, buy some land and raise a large family. Pretty based if you ask me.


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    « Reply #1 on: August 16, 2022, 01:10:21 AM »
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  • My neighbors who are cultural novus Ordo , I would give out this guys cds instead of the vulgar rap garbage they listen too.  



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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #2 on: August 16, 2022, 01:19:59 AM »
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  • Why does he sound like a woman? Or is that how rap usually is? 

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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #4 on: August 16, 2022, 06:34:31 AM »
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  • Why does he sound like a woman? Or is that how rap usually is?
    He doesn’t sound like a woman. The person singing the backing (if that’s the word) sings at a higher pitch than the main singer, but is also a man.

    but why would anyone think traditional Catholic when they hear these sounds?

    It says that the song is dedicated to a recently deceased gentleman, husband and father, (obituary above) who no doubt needs prayers, but who would be inspired to pray when they hear it?
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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #5 on: August 16, 2022, 07:30:58 AM »
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  • It's not bad, I guess ... though it's not TOP quality, as far as rap goes, IMO.  I haven't listened to very much, of course, but there are some other "Christian" rappers who are better, IMO.  He doesn't seem to have too much material on his channel, so perhaps it takes more practice.

    I think the question is whether rapping is compatible with Traditional Catholicism.  Obviously it's not Classical music, and there are negative associations with rap culture.

    I'm not sure.  I don't think there's too much harm in it as long as he keeps its clean.  It's almost more like poetry with a strong beat.  Poetry inherently has to have some kind of rhythm to it, and the raps has a strange sense of blending the rhythm of the music and the rhythm / cadence of the words.

    I look at his latest, from about 3 weeks ago, and the message is about Saturday afternoon Confessions being too short, so by "Traditional" Catholic, I'm sensing more Motarian.  He did cite St. Leonard regarding the fewness of the saved.

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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #6 on: August 16, 2022, 08:15:36 AM »
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  • I'm not sure.  I don't think there's too much harm in it as long as he keeps its clean.  It's almost more like poetry with a strong beat.  Poetry inherently has to have some kind of rhythm to it, and the raps has a strange sense of blending the rhythm of the music and the rhythm / cadence of the words.
    This is where some people would express a problem, that the beat riles up the passions and makes it automatically "not Catholic". I've had someone question the beat of a bluegrass song when the lyrical content was wholly Christian.

    A little tangent: I don't agree with there being a "Catholic" type of music, apart from Chant (for obvious reasons), because all music ultimately comes from the Good, Almighty God. Relegating one's musical tastes to just classical is ironic considering that a lot of classical composers are either Masons, heretics, and infidels; so saying that is the only alternative option for Catholics is silly. Music is ultimately subjective, a certain type of music or beat may effect one person's passions more strongly than another's. And it can also serve a purpose to elevate one to contemplation of the Good, sometimes among otherwise non-Catholic artists.

    Is there bad music? Certainly. But that has to do with the corruption of musical beauty itself. A lot of mainstream pop music is hardly music in the sense that it follows a specific formula as it is intended to be a product, not something that elevates the soul. Yet you can't necessarily condemn the type of music as there are artists in each genre that are capable of such an elevation, even if rare. So even if I don't like rap music, I can't sit here and say this is bad or not Catholic.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #7 on: August 16, 2022, 08:18:30 AM »
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  • This is where some people would express a problem, that the beat riles up the passions and makes it automatically "not Catholic". 
    Agreed.
    No music with drums allowed in my house.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 16, 2022, 09:30:51 AM »
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  • Agreed.
    No music with drums allowed in my house.

    So...even folk music that uses a small drum to help define a song's rhythm? That's ridiculous. Where in Catholic teaching/Tradition or Scripture are drums condemned as being intrinsically evil?
    You can not prefer, or even be against the concept of, rap music without going off the deep end. I guess if the sound of drums instantly brings you a strong temptation to sin then maybe it would be a good idea for you to avoid it altogether. Kind of like alcoholics must avoid all alcohol, even though most people can handle using it in moderation.
    But most people when they hear drums they're not like "Must...not...sin...must...resist...call...of...drums..." :laugh1:

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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #9 on: August 16, 2022, 09:56:08 AM »
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  • "Praise him with timbrel and choir: praise him with strings and organs."
    [Psalms 150:4]


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    The timbrel or tabret was the principal percussion instrument of the ancient Israelites. It resembled either a frame drum or a modern tambourine.

    And what about drums used in the percussion section of classical arrangements? Are those allowed? :trollface:

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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #10 on: August 16, 2022, 10:00:39 AM »
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  • I think Our Lord will vomit that guy and his rap crap out. :facepalm:
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #11 on: August 16, 2022, 10:01:19 AM »
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  • This is where some people would express a problem, that the beat riles up the passions and makes it automatically "not Catholic". I've had someone question the beat of a bluegrass song when the lyrical content was wholly Christian.

    A little tangent: I don't agree with there being a "Catholic" type of music, apart from Chant (for obvious reasons), because all music ultimately comes from the Good, Almighty God. Relegating one's musical tastes to just classical is ironic considering that a lot of classical composers are either Masons, heretics, and infidels; so saying that is the only alternative option for Catholics is silly. Music is ultimately subjective, a certain type of music or beat may effect one person's passions more strongly than another's. And it can also serve a purpose to elevate one to contemplation of the Good, sometimes among otherwise non-Catholic artists.

    Is there bad music? Certainly. But that has to do with the corruption of musical beauty itself. A lot of mainstream pop music is hardly music in the sense that it follows a specific formula as it is intended to be a product, not something that elevates the soul. Yet you can't necessarily condemn the type of music as there are artists in each genre that are capable of such an elevation, even if rare. So even if I don't like rap music, I can't sit here and say this is bad or not Catholic.
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    I don't think the beauty of music is subjective. There is an order to music, and this is something that Catholic thinkers have maintained pretty much forever. Rhythm, though an essential feature of all music, has its proper place USUALLY in the background. And rhythm does excite the passions
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    That isn't the whole story though. We are passionate creatures by design rather than by fault. The trick is ensuring that the right passions are excited at the right time, toward the right thing, and in the right amount. Example: a military march (typically percussion forward). A military march isn't 'disordered' music, it's music for a very specific purpose and it serves that purpose well (you want your soldiers alert and energetic as they approach the enemy line).
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    Not sure how this all applies to the song in question. I listened to it. I listen to hip hop occasionally anyways. As a genre, hip hop is analogous to punk rock. The best hip hop is somewhat agitated, appreciably poetical and cleverly verbose, and usually has its eye on some political, social, or philosophical muse. The problem is that it is hard to transmit an appreciation for goodness through that format (it's much easier to issue criticism through that format, though). The artist tries, but I'm not sure he succeeds. I was turned off by his proud request to be crucified like St Peter. I think he means well, but I think he missed the point. 
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    Like punk rock, I think hip hop should restrain itself to topics worth being angry over. There's nothing he's really talking about that's worth being angry over. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #12 on: August 16, 2022, 10:40:16 AM »
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  • So...even folk music that uses a small drum to help define a song's rhythm? That's ridiculous. Where in Catholic teaching/Tradition or Scripture are drums condemned as being intrinsically evil?
    You can not prefer, or even be against the concept of, rap music without going off the deep end. I guess if the sound of drums instantly brings you a strong temptation to sin then maybe it would be a good idea for you to avoid it altogether. Kind of like alcoholics must avoid all alcohol, even though most people can handle using it in moderation.
    But most people when they hear drums they're not like "Must...not...sin...must...resist...call...of...drums..." :laugh1:
     drums = rhythmic dance and sɛҳuąƖ abandon
    Not something you want around hormonal teens.

    Many artists depict images of hell with demons shown beating them.

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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #13 on: August 16, 2022, 11:13:24 AM »
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  • This is where some people would express a problem, that the beat riles up the passions and makes it automatically "not Catholic". I've had someone question the beat of a bluegrass song when the lyrical content was wholly Christian.

    It can, and I wouldn't recommend listening to it full time, but I don't think an occasional listen here or there does any harm.

    As for the rap beat, my general impression is that it can incite more the passion of "irascibility" rather than concupiscence, and there's a fair bit of pre-modern music that's meant to, say, inspire men to fight valiantly in battle, and, yes, they relied heavily on drumbeats.  Some of those were posted in a thread here.  In any case, I don't think that rap poses any issue with concupiscence (provided that it's not accompanied by impure lyrics or an impure images / videos) ... in moderation.  Given its martial rhythms, it may even actually serve a purpose to offset a bit the "soyboy" culture.  If a young man is more along the lines of soyboy, then lighting a bit of a martial attitude might inspire a bit of toughness.  I suspect it's why RAP got so big in Black gang culture, since it does tend to incite a more martial spirit.  Most of the impurity tends to come from pop music (including Black pop music) ... if of course the rap isn't accompanied by impure images.

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    Re: Traditional Catholic Rap - Not joking
    « Reply #14 on: August 16, 2022, 11:20:35 AM »
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  • drums = rhythmic dance and sɛҳuąƖ abandon

    Not necessarily.  Drumbeats have often been used to inspire men to fight bravely and valiantly.  Depends on the beat and depends on what else accompanies it (impure images, impure lyrics, and various impure melodies ... when combined with the drumbeat).