Author Topic: To conditional re-confirm or not? (Read 2371 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** September 09, 2012, 08:41:07 PM »

My son was confirmed by a bishop who was consecrated in the new rite. This same bishop was ordained in the new rite. The priest preparing the kids for confirmation did not bother to have them go to confession prior to the confirmation so they may not have been in a state of grace but being kids they may be sufficiently innocent but the venial sins could have been there plenty.

My son graduated from the RCIA (novus ordo) without knowing the Hail Mary prayer. And, while driving home from Easter Mass, he asked "Dad, what happened on this day?" I asked if he was serious because who could he be. Well, he was. He literally learned NOTHING in RCIA. Since we moved on over to the Traditional Catholic Church his prayer habits are much better and his knowledge is growing.

However, now that we are Traditionalists, should he be conditionally reconfirmed?

Even though this is the "anonymous" section and people like to have a little bit of fun, please give your honest answer on this.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2012, 09:04:32 PM »

He cannot have been prepared for Confirmation if he was as ignorant as you describe.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2012, 01:29:48 AM »

Your son needs to be conditionally confirmed by a valid Bishop.
I suggest Bishop Mark Pivarunas, CMRI.
If he is not convenient for some reason, then ask again, and I will recommend another Bishop.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** September 13, 2012, 12:55:17 AM »

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Your son needs to be conditionally confirmed by a valid Bishop.
I suggest Bishop Mark Pivarunas, CMRI.
If he is not convenient for some reason, then ask again, and I will recommend another Bishop.

I'd suggest an SSPX bishop rather than a Thuc-line bishop with questionable orders.

Nadir · « **Reply #4 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:54:36 AM »

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However, now that we are Traditionalists, should he be conditionally reconfirmed?

No, he should be conditionally confirmed. No such thing as re-confirmation.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 13, 2012, 12:12:02 PM »

I would ask a good and solid Traditional priest who can investigate the particular issue. Here you will only find confusing, contradictory, anonymous pontifications from us laymen.

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Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2012, 09:37:11 PM »

No need to investigate. Just re-condition.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2012, 09:38:11 PM »

I met to say re-confirm conditionally.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** September 14, 2012, 12:57:57 AM »

Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI has valid orders.
It is actually very sinful for someone on p.1 of this thread to claim otherwise.
Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.
Bishop Thuc consecrated Bishop Carmona who consecrated Bishop Pivarunas.
It does not get much more valid than that.

Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.

The bad-willed cult member who posted the sinful calumny on p.1 of this thread,
is just a duped faux-traditionalist.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** September 14, 2012, 07:33:03 AM »

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Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI has valid orders.
It is actually very sinful for someone on p.1 of this thread to claim otherwise.
Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.
Bishop Thuc consecrated Bishop Carmona who consecrated Bishop Pivarunas.
It does not get much more valid than that.

Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.

The bad-willed cult member who posted the sinful calumny on p.1 of this thread,
is just a duped faux-traditionalist.

Agreed. God bless those who defend Bishop Thuc.

What if the bishop who did the confirmation in the NO was originally from Chicago and ordained a priest in 1970 using the new rite and consecrated using the new rite. In his writings, this bishop rarely refers to Our Blessed Savior but uses mostly vague terms. He has, to his credit, allowed one small out of the way log cabin church to be used by an indult group.

Remember, the priest did not have the kids go to confession prior to this special sacrament and the "religious education" is beyond vague, it borders on empty.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** September 14, 2012, 08:05:34 AM »

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Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI has valid orders.
It is actually very sinful for someone on p.1 of this thread to claim otherwise.
Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.
Bishop Thuc consecrated Bishop Carmona who consecrated Bishop Pivarunas.
It does not get much more valid than that.

Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.

The bad-willed cult member who posted the sinful calumny on p.1 of this thread,
is just a duped faux-traditionalist.

The poster on page 1 did NOT say there was no validity, only that Thuc had questionable decisions and people around him that were not always up front....not saying that CMRI or others NOT validly ordained, only thereare a lot of issues w/Thuc lineCMRI seems above board, some others running around, not as honest and clean cut.....

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 14, 2012, 08:27:14 AM »

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Quote from: Guest
Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI has valid orders.
It is actually very sinful for someone on p.1 of this thread to claim otherwise.
Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.
Bishop Thuc consecrated Bishop Carmona who consecrated Bishop Pivarunas.
It does not get much more valid than that.

Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.

The bad-willed cult member who posted the sinful calumny on p.1 of this thread,
is just a duped faux-traditionalist.

The poster on page 1 did NOT say there was no validity, only that Thuc had questionable decisions and people around him that were not always up front....not saying that CMRI or others NOT validly ordained, only thereare a lot of issues w/Thuc lineCMRI seems above board, some others running around, not as honest and clean cut.....

Belloc your "posting style" - with the . . . are you from the North East?

I never thought an accent would be conveyed in posts.

Belloc · « **Reply #12 on:** September 14, 2012, 08:36:24 AM »

Quote from: Guest

Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest
Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI has valid orders.
It is actually very sinful for someone on p.1 of this thread to claim otherwise.
Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.
Bishop Thuc consecrated Bishop Carmona who consecrated Bishop Pivarunas.
It does not get much more valid than that.

Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.

The bad-willed cult member who posted the sinful calumny on p.1 of this thread,
is just a duped faux-traditionalist.

The poster on page 1 did NOT say there was no validity, only that Thuc had questionable decisions and people around him that were not always up front....not saying that CMRI or others NOT validly ordained, only thereare a lot of issues w/Thuc lineCMRI seems above board, some others running around, not as honest and clean cut.....

Belloc your "posting style" - with the . . . are you from the North East?

I never thought an accent would be conveyed in posts.

Not sure about "posting style" commnet-was it a question? a statement?

Yes, was born/raised first 16 yrs of life in the NE, since then, the SE

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** September 14, 2012, 08:59:12 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest
Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI has valid orders.
It is actually very sinful for someone on p.1 of this thread to claim otherwise.
Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.
Bishop Thuc consecrated Bishop Carmona who consecrated Bishop Pivarunas.
It does not get much more valid than that.

Pope Pius XI chose Bishop Thuc.

The bad-willed cult member who posted the sinful calumny on p.1 of this thread,
is just a duped faux-traditionalist.

The poster on page 1 did NOT say there was no validity, only that Thuc had questionable decisions and people around him that were not always up front....not saying that CMRI or others NOT validly ordained, only thereare a lot of issues w/Thuc lineCMRI seems above board, some others running around, not as honest and clean cut.....

Belloc your "posting style" - with the . . . are you from the North East?

I never thought an accent would be conveyed in posts.

Not sure about "posting style" commnet-was it a question? a statement?

Yes, was born/raised first 16 yrs of life in the NE, since then, the SE

I've seen other posters from the Northeast use the ellipsis that way.

Your posting style is, let's say, unmistakable.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 14, 2012, 09:18:55 AM »

in gapping? stripping? verb use?
now you got me interested :reporter: :reading:

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