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Änσnymσus · « **on:** January 14, 2016, 02:43:05 PM »

Hello

I've decided to try out the SSPX. I looked up the nearest one and will go. Thing is, the Mass schedule says that as well as the Sunday Masses there is also a Saturday 6 pm Mass as well each week. Is this the Sunday Vigil Mass that fulfills the Sunday Obligation?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2016, 03:06:00 PM »

No such thing as a Saturday vigil Mass

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2016, 03:14:39 PM »

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No such thing as a Saturday vigil Mass

Don't be stupid. The Easter Vigil Mass, for example, occurs on Holy Saturday.

Maria Regina · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2016, 03:19:06 PM »

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No such thing as a Saturday vigil Mass

Is the SSPX having Saturday Vigil Masses now?

Why would they be having a Saturday Mass at 6PM when according to the rubics, every "Saturday" Mass after the time of First Vespers of Sunday, which is held on Saturday after 2 PM, would be for the Sunday.

The liturgical life begins the day before in the afternoon with First Vespers for the upcoming feast.

When I was in a Dominican convent (left as a novice due to heretical Buddhist teachings of Thomas Merton), we always celebrated the Feast of St. Dominic on the day before with First Vespers in the afternoon. We also sang First Vespers of Sunday on Saturday afternoon.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2016, 05:02:34 PM »

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No such thing as a Saturday vigil Mass

Don't be stupid. The Easter Vigil Mass, for example, occurs on Holy Saturday.

what i meant was the saturday vigil mass qua saturday vigil mass - what the NO considers to fulfill "Sunday obligation"

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2016, 05:38:47 PM »

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No such thing as a Saturday vigil Mass

Don't be stupid. The Easter Vigil Mass, for example, occurs on Holy Saturday.

what i meant was the saturday vigil mass qua saturday vigil mass - what the NO considers to fulfill "Sunday obligation"

We are to keep the Lord's Day holy. Going to a Saturday Vigil Mass when one can attend the one on Sunday is failing to keep the Lord's Day holy.

However, more and more employers are mandating that people work not only on Sundays, but also on Saturdays, so that employees cannot attend church either on Saturday or Sunday.

It is hard to find jobs today that do not require work on weekends, unless one is a teacher, so I became a teacher, only to find that I could no longer teach as I had to teach and advocate abortion, euthanasia, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, open marriages, fornication, transgenders, and/or shacking together. These were topics in all the textbooks that I was required to teach, and there was no skipping those chapters as they formed the major topics for the course of studies.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2016, 12:47:56 AM »

More than likely, this Saturday Mass is being offered in the evening because the priest is traveling and is unable to arrive to the chapel to offer Mass in the morning. Consider this Saturday Mass that is listed as a Saturday Mass not a vigil Mass intended to fulfill a Sunday obligation.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2016, 01:37:29 AM »

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More than likely, this Saturday Mass is being offered in the evening because the priest is traveling and is unable to arrive to the chapel to offer Mass in the morning. Consider this Saturday Mass that is listed as a Saturday Mass not a vigil Mass intended to fulfill a Sunday obligation.

My priest has told us that if someone cannot make the Sunday Divine Liturgy for a valid reason, but there is a Divine Liturgy or Vespers on Saturday, then it is better to go on Saturday than not to go at all. However, it better to attend all church services on both Saturday and Sunday. That way you are covering all bases.

And that is true because on the days when I could attend both Vespers on Saturday and the Divine Liturgy on Sunday, I was more prepared and recollected.

Ask your priest.

poche · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2016, 05:04:59 AM »

It is an old tradition that Sunday begins at sundown. It is why when people worked six days a week that they only worked a half day on Saturday. When the bells for vespers rand on Saturday it was the start of it being Sunday.
There is a story that goes with that. St Notburga was a servant gir on a farm. When it was time for the harvest all hands were needed to help out. Notburga was there with her master cutting wheat when the bells for vespers rang out one Saturday. Notburga wanted to stop work and go to the church and pray while her master wanted her to stay and work.
She said, "It is the law of God that we stop work and go pray when it is Sunday"
"It is my law that we get this harvest in." replied the farmer.
"Can we let God decide?" Said Notburga.
The farmer agreed. So Notburga threw her scythe in the air and it remained suspended in mid air. The farmer relented and Notburger went to the church to pray.

TKGS · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2016, 06:32:06 AM »

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It is an old tradition that Sunday begins at sundown.

Then why does the Conciliar sect have Saturday afternoon Masses that begin well before sundown and claim that these actually fulfill the Sunday obligation to attend Mass.

I am absolutely shocked at the stupidity of many of the answers on this topic. No Mass celebrated on Saturday fulfills the Sunday obligation to attend Mass. Even the Easter Vigil Mass (pre-Holy Week changes) didn't do this. This Mass was celebrated Saturday morning but the faithful who attended it were still obligated to attend Mass on Easter Sunday. The Easter Vigil ceremonies after the Holy Week changes are to be scheduled so that the actual beginning of the Mass begins as close to midnight as possible.

The Saturday anticipation Mass is a novelty. It was invented by the Conciliar sect to diminish the people's obedience to the Third Commandment and has led many souls to hell.

Attendance at a Saturday Mass can never fulfill a Sunday obligation. If a person is prevented from attending a Sunday Mass due to circuмstances beyond his control, he does not sin as the Church never commands the faithful to do what they cannot do. In such circuмstances, it may be laudable to attend a Saturday Mass (and, of course, I am not talking about attendance of any Novus Ordo Protestant Service) if one cannot attend Mass on Sunday, but this must never be considered obligatory nor as fulfillment of the Sunday obligation.

Tedeum · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2016, 06:27:13 PM »

Attending Mass on Saturday is a devout practice, not an obligation nor does it fulfill any obligation. A lot of people (for example) may attend Mass and go to confession on Saturday morning.. again, a devout practice and good habit to keep.

We are obliged to attend Mass on Sunday.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2016, 07:17:28 PM »

While we're on the subject, can anyone tell me when it became obligatory to ATTEND MASS on Sunday?

Tedeum · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2016, 07:33:04 PM »

I believe that it goes back to the beginning of the church - either as early as the apostles making sure people kept the day holy + separating the day from the Jєωιѕн Sabbath.... or it was something that Constantine started. Either way it is a very old tradition and law.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2016, 07:56:12 PM »

Of course "keeping the day Holy" goes back to Moses and the 10 commandments but my question was about attending the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

It couldn't possibly have started with just 12 men offering the Sacrifice.

Even 1,000 years ago most/many people didn't live within walking distance of a church.

When did it become a mortal sin to miss Mass on Sunday??????

Matthew · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2016, 08:28:20 PM »

It is one of the 6 Commandments of the Church, so we must follow it.

Obviously by the time this law was enacted, Catholic churches were widespread.

The Church knows best what we need. And in my opinion, it was a very wise decision. Some people might miss it, but any deep thinker can tell you just how important that weekly attendance at Mass is, just to keep one's Faith and spiritual life above water.

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